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If you can't leave the kid with someone else, then it's never "just walk".

My mom used to not drive in a place where public transit wasn't that great. She did just walk or take a bus. It's more difficult, sure, but I think it's also more doable for some people than they think, but because they're already convinced themselves it's impossible they don't even try

I’m also not saying it’s me personally. Discourse, people. Ay yi yi. :D

I grew up in a rural area, a lot of my coworkers when I was in high school had no option other than a taxi, hitch hiking, or cycling on dangerous roads to work. Some walked miles on those dangerous roads.

you seem nice

Okay, but neither weed nor cigarettes are in the category of “ZOMG SCARY CRIMES, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!” That’s all just everyday rudeness and minor annoyances, which life is full of, on and off public transit. Kids themselves can be minor annoyances (and rude) (so can parents, or anybody else)

She's definitely not wrong.

I recently saw the cops in one station absolutely shouting at the station agent for not calling them when someone jumps a turnstile, and I'm like, why can't you leave that public servant alone?

You can just have full height gates and spend next to nothing on enforcement, and it removes most of the issues with disorder on transit.

If every kid has a free card, what does it matter if they dodge the fare?

Ticket inspectors know that tourists fail at this and they get a commission from every fine collected, so they regrettably target tourists)

Plentiful public restrooms go a long way. Seattle transit stations don’t have restrooms. And some of the elevators smell like pee. Might there be a connection?

In the context of the original point, a guy with a badge and a gun who likes to beat his wife is probably not a great solution to the problem, and stuff like plentiful public restrooms is a better way to address it.

Going out to get 24 packs of soda at the actual grocery store was likewise hilariously awful, and also how I realized that buying squishable and non-squishable goods at the same time is yet another thing that's much harder if you're using public transit.

Thank you. Exactly this.

And to be clear I'm basically as far away as Walmart is willing to deliver - disabled people past the far side of the village border, maybe a third of a mile further away, are SOL. (Nobody else delivers anything here, "here" being where there's ~65 low-income and senior/disabled housing units.)

Also, of course, worth remembering that there are tons of disabled people who don’t own or use cars whose lives would be made far easier with better public transit and pedestrian infrastructure.

fuck off

maybe the kids and the extended family would also like to go shopping.

Because the logistics of people's lives vary a lot from situation to situation and from time to time within certain situations and sometimes the person best suited to head out for groceries is the one with the kid? It's not that trick to understand with quite minimal imagination.

As a little kid I LOVED going to the grocery store. Getting to ride around in that little seat and look at all the cool stuff on the shelves? The best!

Because you can't leave your kids at home alone?

There are many reasons! One reason is if I need to go to the store and my daughters were babies. I'm not going to be able to find a babysitter just to go to the grocery store.

You need to talk to some other parents, I guess.

You are nuts

This has been a thing since like 1950 lmao. Kids always go to the store with parents Sorry our families can't afford nannies like you

Tempted to post the "clearly a humiliation fetish" meme, but maybe the hint is In your use of "extended family"? Try imagining that you don't have one, or at least nearby, and it's just you and the kids. There you go.

I’m a single parent

Just look at all that privilege. It's breathtaking

what

How nice for you. I hope you continue to not have children.

Hey, did you know they have a service now that will bring your groceries to you so that you don't have to bring your obnoxious privilege out in public?

Yeah, and didn't you turn out just phenomenally.

You’re a dick.

Yeah, imagine the urge to want to make sure your children are watched while you tend to making sure the family is fed. Must be totally alien.

You are entitled to a child-free life, not a child-free world. The shopping carts with the little cars attached aren’t for service animals, you numpty.

There are so many obvious replies, including single parenting and busy lifestyles, but I’ll add that my tween daughter recently waited with the cart during unexpected torrential rain at costco while I pulled up. She also helps me remember what to buy, where i parked, and it’s more fun with her

Get to work, Blood Clot. Be useful for a change.

If you cannot find one person in your life to be with your children for an hour, I feel bad for you and will not try and make your life miserable over your need to run errands whilst also tending to your children. You should have some empathy for people that are struggling. Get a grip.

That never occurred to me as a single mother. Thanks for the advice. I’ll remember it next time.

::whispering:: also whipping through life as fast as you can is not a virtue

You can’t leave a baby at home

If you cannot find one person in your life to be with your child for an hour without paying them for their time, you are the average American. If you cannot afford to pay someone to watch your child for an hour just so you can go grocery shopping, you are also the average American.

There us a great opportunity for learning when you take a kiddo to the grocery store 🙂

I loved takin the kid to the store, I was not gonna be working so I could watch her and get the shopping done. I also had asshole attitudes before we had our daughter. We forget, people put up with us as babies, I'd bet you were more than a handful. Slow down a bit, enjoy.

Grocery shopping is one of my go to activities with my toddler when my wife is doing adult things on the weekend. It’s not efficient but it gets the job done and my toddler generally enjoys it

Taking children to the grocery store is an amazing opportunity to teach them how to interact with the world appropriately and to learn about where their food comes from and how things are made and the colors of the rainbow and counting and learning their alphabet and… and… and…

that one person would not be you

Be quiet, you tedious lonely freak.

"One person, in and out" It's grocery shopping not a special forces op, you utter dork.

My family has fun when we do things together. I'm sorry your family hates you. But if you think like this, it's all too understandable.

So would you just put the kids into a kennel while you nip out to do the weekly shop? Nobody’s dragging a toddler along for funsies if they don’t have to.

Closest member of extended family who could look after child lives 20 miles away. Would take longer to get there than to do a full grocery shop in the supermarket that’s 3 miles away. Not to mention the additional fuel this would require That notwithstanding, I actually enjoy my child’s company and

What a ridiculous statement.

"Obnoxious"? Children in a supermarket are "obnoxious"? Mate, that's a bad take, and I don't even have kids.

If there’s no kids in a supermarket, who am I going to make faces at?

This is the kind of sentence that somebody will be telling a psychiatrist one day.

have you ever considered not saying things?

Wow! You are incredibly privileged, aren't you? Had you taken half a second to appreciate that before making this reply?

You right wing assholes always have such a deficit of imagination.

What a dumb fucking thing to say Here's what you should have said. I've never understood why people feel the need to cry about a family going to the goddamn grocery store. Like what is the problem here?

Right? Like why not just leave them in the castle with your servants

We can’t leave young children at home or in the car. Sometimes we are planning meals on the fly, so both adults go. And how do you expect to model and teach what to do in a store/how to shop if your children don’t actually go with you?

Kids need to learn how to shop for food and it's good for teaching healthy eating and other life skills.

Must be nice not to be a single parent.

Single parents can't leave their kids alone. Working parents can't just dump their kids off at the other's work in the middle of the day. I don't have kids but this feels obvious to me?

Median bsky poster sneering at children existing in public

“We never did that.”

You don’t deserve a wife. You don’t deserve children. You only deserve a studio apartment where you can sit on your ass whining online and not interact with normal society.

i’m so curious what comes after the dot dot dot ”…then you’re a real piece of shit worthless loser” something in that area?

Many reasons have been posited already. Whether you agree with those or not is irrelevant. You can always go somewhere else.

We didn’t bring our kid to the grocery store until she was 8months old. She loved it! But yeah prior to that it would have been a massive hassle. We’d switch off on grocery store runs, and we relied on delivery a bit more than normal during the first few months.

Because I want my wife to rest, you know, because I care about her.

Sometimes I wish you people who "don't understand" something would take 10 seconds to consider why someone might need to do that thing.

I used to walk the 3/4 mile to the store with my toddler & pre-schooler. They were/are both ADHD (grown now) & it tired them out so they would be calm in the store, and they could ride in the stroller with the groceries on the way home. We lived 3000 miles away from extended family, so 🤷‍♀️

"If you cannot find one person in your life to be with your children for an hour..." Then what? Finish the thought!

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Grocery Nazi

Bad take. You sound pretty ignorant.

"I've never understood" "we never did that" is the fucking ultimate bluesky shit ever

Grocery shopping together was a wonderful bonding time for me and my dad. When I was in college and my parents visited, my dad and I would shop together every day. Dad can't travel now, so I call him while shopping for Thanksgiving to maintain our tradition.

Dumbass.

It's OK to just say you don't like kids and don't want to be around kids. This generalized we? Who is we? Gerbil in your pocket? Start planning your shopping time better - post work is prime family time. Pre lunch is often old people. Lunchtime is impatient intolerant folk. Try then.

What a wonderful and equally sad position of privilege you hold.

Sounds like you hate your family

What a stupid fucking take. "We never did that." I am 40 years old and every one I know was taken to the shops as a kid, and has taken their kids to the shops. What weird life have you led where children just didn't exist around you?

Finish the sentence, scumbag. If you are going to flagrantly insult people trying to raise their kids, ar least have fortitude to finish what you mean to say.

If you don't like being around kids, hire a shopper. Problem solved.

It’s a great experience for little ones. They see foods, faces, hear voices, see their parents talk to adults. It’s probably the best thing for them.

Counterpoint. Fuck you.

I am going to respond to this with sympathy because I too made an ass of myself on social media this morning. Best of luck going forward.

Children are wonderful and public spaces are better for their presence.

No, this take is dumb and bad.

you're getting eaten alive in the quote tweets and I just want you to know you deserve it

Finish the last sentence. If you can't find childcare, then what?

what's wrong with you

Wow, entitled much? What a assholish thing to post.

Use delivery if it upsets you so much

don’t you buy food everyday?

Look at your last sentence & the judgment I was raised by my mom doing things with us by herself My dad was killed so that’s why there was only one always-available adult, herself Sorry that it got in the way of your grocery store interpretive dance or whatev you need all that space for I guess!!

I like my kids

It’s not a urge, genius. You can’t just leave your kids in a hot car or at home by themselves. I don’t even have kids, and am often annoyed by them, but this take succcckks.

what are you trying to imply "if you cannot find one person to be with your children for an hour" dot dot dot 🤨 and so what if they cannot??

Fuck you for thinking of a take so bad that it has me siding with children.

Just here for the ratio

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What a weird statement.

Ah yes, life needs to be more efficient and streamlined, rather than people learning to find joy in the unpredictability

I’ve never understood the urge to be a dumbass online, but here we both are.

Hey, that's neat for you. Meanwhile my family, the wife, three kids, and myself, go grocery shopping together.

It actually seems harder to me to find someone to watch your kids for an hour instead of half a day.

Wouldn't it be more efficient if you just never left the house so everyone else on earth didn't have to listen to your bullshit

Or hear me out … get your groceries delivered to you at your door and shut the hell up while those with families and needs go about their lives. Thanks for coming to my TED talk

Well you made an interesting choice this day

Sorry you dislike your family so much you have to thought police others.

Oooh, you want to talk about obnoxious behavior??

What are you talking about? Have you ever had or known anyone with children?

I’ve never understood people who grocery shop alone. Some sort anti-social narcissistic tendencies?

This is such a weird opinion. What do you care if families go grocery shopping together?

People are freaking out on this, aren't they? Perhaps better framing would help. I agree - you don't need 4-6 people in the store with you.

Why don’t you go to hell, there ain’t any children there.

"One person, in and out"; title of your sex tape

To those defending this.. whatever the hell this is- If you cannot read the basic stats YOU provide, why are you providing them at all?? If you don't know what percentages mean when it comes to other measurements, why are you using them? Why are you using stats that DISPROVE your argument?

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Are you volunteering?

Look, I dunno if you have kids or not, but from my perspective as a new parent - kids have moods that are fae and fleeting, making even going five minutes outside the door exhaust me sometimes to the point of collapse. That's life.

Nor should we ignore that the built environment really dictates what is possible. And SHFs on 1/4 acre+ lots forever absolutely = car dependence.

Aka, single car household german suburbs.

and buses! communal transport is natural and exciting for young humans!

We would have never been able to go Jones Beach or the Poconos in the summer if we didn't have a car, and those are literally some of my best childhood memories.

Also grew up in Queens. Took the bus to Jones Beach.

Wow having a car in a society built for cars made your life better 🤯

Yards are pretty cool when you have kids and god forbid, pets

The reasons are certainly real, but what makes them practically achievable is a range of different policies, historical and current. In other places, the policies are different - my earliest years were spent in Russian cities where pretty much no one we knew had a car and everyone used transit.

We've also heavily subsidized the suburbs first like, 80 years. So it's not all personal choice.

There is no reason why suburb should mean completely and utterly unwalkable, zero bus or trolley, and requires a car for all basic needs though which is the point most of us are trying to make. Well, no, there is a reason that gets floated and it's usually code for segregation.

The two main reasons for discouraging suburban development are the unjust subsidies and the disproportionate environmental harm. Get rid of those and let's see how convenient it still is.

I mean a big chunk of the reason in America was racism but hey ho.

I mean, that's fine if that's your choice, but stop expecting the rest of society to subsidize your choices.

We understand that big houses and yards feel nice! It’s just that suburbs are the most environmentally destructive type of development, and we think that showing climate change should take precedent over consumer preferences.

A lot of people *choose* the suburbs (which is different than liking them) because they are cheaper, and the schools are often better, both of which are policy choices

Cheap housing and "better" schools. That's the only answer I hear from friends and family. Better in quotes as it's only narrowly looking at resources not and discounting the ability to safely bike/walk to school with their friends, diversity of student body. And how engaged parents PTA are

there is a very specific style of suburban development prevalent throughout places like the US that is de facto dangerous, wasteful, etc. and that should be discouraged in favor of better communities that have more of what people actually like about living in the suburbs

Mostly it’s a marketing and a lack of housing choice. My BIL asked me if I was going to “up my game” after my other SIL moved 40m outside of Boston to a house with no sidewalk or transit or bike lanes, with a sneer at our dense neighborhood. I just looked at him like “and leave this walkability!?!”

I don't think Big Oil is bribing every little suburban government in the US.