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ex-Lethality Jane

I'm not sure how I would have even been able to go grocery shopping with infant twins if I hadn't had a car.

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Meatwad Ron: Summer of Ron

I can only speak for myself, but a lot of my eye rolling about this comes from people on both sides who pretend you can *only* ever drive or must not even own a car. There are plenty of things you can do with young children on transit if it’s safe and clean. Other things are harder!

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Meatwad Ron: Summer of Ron

We shouldn’t pretend like no one needs a car ever, nor should we ignore the fact that public transit really is the best answer to reducing pollution, gridlock, and the expense of owning a car, and should be encouraged whenever possible

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Franklin D. Roosefella

Nor should we ignore that the built environment really dictates what is possible. And SHFs on 1/4 acre+ lots forever absolutely = car dependence.

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Meatwad Ron: Summer of Ron

I find it incredibly funny when local elected officials who represent far-flung suburbs where people live on acres of land complain in meetings that the county transit agencies aren’t spending money on frequent bus service to their communities 🙄

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Meatwad Ron: Summer of Ron

Like ok yes we know you want a steady supply of housekeepers and minimum wage workers to come labor for you and then go far away at the end of the day but it is not financially viable to send busses an hour out of the city every 15 minutes, Carol

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Wes Pinkle

In metro Atlanta, the suburbanites actively fight mass transit expansions because "crime" while complaining about the traffic on their commute, leading to "just one more lane" syndrome.

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Billiam

Thankfully we have hit the limits on that in town. Now they might be able to expand some of the outlying highways, but 75, 85, 20, and the perimeter are all set in stone. Now just to wait for the pain to force Marta expansion.

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Politics of Cars

They're actively adding express lanes to 400 tho?

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Billiam

Not in town. That’s OTP.

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Politics of Cars

oh I misread, you're right. Still more traffic funnelled into the city, perimeter getting not express lanes too :(

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Tamara Keel

Every time I start to feel a little homesick for the ATL, I read a thread like this and it goes away. 😅

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★ thomas brodie singstar ★

"Dad, I hear what you're saying but I just can't visualize how somebody could walk 10 miles to the proposed Cumberland station while hiding our 27" oak console TV in his pants"

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It’s me, Owen

Whoops you beat me to the punch should have read one more post down in the thread.

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Katman Du

I can vouch for the fear of mass transit bringing "crime" (translation: "thugs"; ie, blacks) out of downtown Atlanta into the white-flight exurban areas. Fuck that shit. I wanna be able to get from Athens to ATL airport without having to leave my car in long term parking.

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It’s me, Owen

Also I think it’s important to note that (most) people aren’t saying nobody should have a car, what’s at issue is the ability of people to use reliable and affordable public transit if they want to

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It’s me, Owen

Also, not for nothing but if city buses made regular stops in those same suburbs the residents would have an absolute conniption.

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Franklin D. Roosefella

And this doesn't mean we can't have SFHs on 1/4 acre + lots! I just think we should have multi-use density zoned nodes within that. We used to call these villages.

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Franklin D. Roosefella

Put a few of these, 1 mile apart and boom! You've got a useable bus line.

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Franklin D. Roosefella

My attitude isn't so much "anti-car" as, "how come car for everything?"

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Timberdoodle

lol hell yeah. and you basically described how the German countryside was set up in Bayern. I'd leave Schweinfurt, then hit Neiderwerrn, then Geldersheim, then... and so on. and a lot of the towns had that string-of-pearls light rail. the ones w/o had a bus that linked to the light rail.

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Timberdoodle

if you asked 23 year old me why I had a car over there, my answer would be "Sometimes you need to grab two kegs from a monastery at the top of a mountain." and that's basically it.

priya chand

Also, unironically, kids love trains! I see them regularly on the more family friendly segments here.

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Purple Top Neep

and buses! communal transport is natural and exciting for young humans!

Franklin D. Roosefella

I think a big goal of climate/transit/walkability activists is creating suburbs (& cities, as most US cities are predominantly suburban in form) where cars arent required for every journey. They're still there for big shops & vacation, but not needed for every trip for milk/coffee/school/work

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Franklin D. Roosefella

Aka, single car household german suburbs.

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Meatwad Ron: Summer of Ron

I can’t wait until my kid is 16 and can drive herself to her school that doesn’t have bus service where we live I’ll never drive again

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Franklin D. Roosefella

Ugh. I grew up in the almost middle of nowhere and we had buses.

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Meatwad Ron: Summer of Ron

In my case it’s that she goes to school close to her father’s house and not mine :/

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Franklin D. Roosefella

(also, there are decent bike lanes in Germany which make a 2 mile journey pretty easy without a car)

Laura

Exactly. Plenty of parents take kids on public transit on a regular basis in my city and I’m sure many of them also own cars.

Purple Top Neep

One of my earliest memories is of my dad taking me on the city bus, because it was new and exciting. We drove sometimes, we took the bus sometimes, but mostly we were able to walk/bike where we needed to go.