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the number of women responding publicly and privately that they feel physically ill from grim's bullshit is so profoundly upsetting. i feel it, too. misogyny is sickening but also literally deadly.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

Number of dudes who assume “I need my glute massaged” means “I need YOU to do it” is…unsettling

Ответ для tunibell

And regardless, the idea this text matters is entirely based in the idea that consent to sexual activity (which this doesn't even reach) is not something that can subsquently be withdrawn.

Ответ для Ollie McClellan

Especially when she very clearly says that as soon as she realized that he'd taken it as an invitation, she clarified with him that it meant no such thing.

Ответ для Syws Bee

Yeah, this is all too gross for me to even read the asshole's article. It's just like . . . RAPE MYTHS AHOY, CAP'N!!!

Ответ для tunibell

Really shows how immature they all are, as I assume they all have the capacity to offer to assist or ask if the woman wants them to do it

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or think their penis has any place in a massage session

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

It’s been awful, and I’m very grateful for your principled and lucid voice.

Ответ для Moira Donegan

Agree! Shining a light on these guys and their casual misogyny & horrifying defense of rape is so important. Every time, though, it brings back so many memories - some just icky, some deeply painful. I’m so tired of it all.

Ответ для Moira Donegan

back at you 💗

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So many of us are feeling this viscerally and looking around and realizing that —once again — abusing women gets a pass is really a form of gaslighting I never wish upon anyone.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

He’s always been like this and people let him get away with it every time

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I fell ill too Im downgrading Breaking Points from “unsubscribed” to “blocked”

Ответ для LuckyTrashFox

*feel

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just left a thumbs down and several 'eat shits' in the replies and did the same

Ответ для DirgeMcB

The nasty monsters are coming out of the garbage pile

Ответ для LuckyTrashFox

the old senator is dying. the new senator dropped out because he is pond scum. now is the time of monsters

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

How a lot of us have felt since the first allegations dropped too. The number of people who ran to the defense of the abuse and started doing rape apologia and still are has been a horror show. Nightmare fuel.

Ответ для 💮Hollow Matron💮

Same as it ever was, sadly.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

I should not have logged onto social media while the rape-apology storm is still blowing. My PTSD is not happy rn. In case someone else also needs a way to blow off steam, this is my playlist for the rest of the afternoon (it's a lot of metal/heavy music, so ymmv): youtube.com/playlist?lis...

Fuck Rape Culture - YouTubeyoutube.com
Ответ для Piper Furiosa 🇵🇸🏴🌲🏴‍☠️

I had a sticker with this same painting of Judith and Holofernes (thank you Artemisia Gentileschi) on my old laptop, which I retired last year. Just went on etsy and ordered a new one for the new laptop. Bigger, this time.

Ответ для Del Marra

I had a great T-shirt with the painting on it, but I got paint on it. I might need to order a new one.

Ответ для Piper Furiosa 🇵🇸🏴🌲🏴‍☠️

Listen, Artemisia would approve of you getting paint on her painting

Ответ для Piper Furiosa 🇵🇸🏴🌲🏴‍☠️

it was paint, not blood, right? right?!

Ответ для Del Marra

Seeing "Judith Beheading Holofernes" in person was a highlight of visiting the Uffizi.

Ответ для Miles Smith

That sounds incredible. I don't know if I'll ever make it there, but it's definitely on the bucket list.

Ответ для Piper Furiosa 🇵🇸🏴🌲🏴‍☠️

It was the last trip (and only trip to Europe) I went on with my dad, and when we saw it I gasped and dragged him over. He was a bit apprehensive lol

Ответ для Piper Furiosa 🇵🇸🏴🌲🏴‍☠️

(also thank you for the excellent playlist and I am so sorry for what you're going through, you don't deserve to feel like this and I hope you've got all the support you need and want)

Ответ для Del Marra

Thank you so much! I also wish you as much peace today as we can find. I know so many of us are going through it, so I was trying to turn my feelings into something that might help others. It doesn't fix the problem, but at least we all have each other.

Ответ для Piper Furiosa 🇵🇸🏴🌲🏴‍☠️

I'm so sorry. People like this are just the absolute most thoughtless and heinous individuals there are. Thank you for the playlist, most of these are already on mine. Music is an incredible therapy. www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6L-...

Bring Me The Horizon - Doomed (MAPHRA Vocal Cover)YouTube video by MAPHRAwww.youtube.com
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Ответ для Piper Furiosa 🇵🇸🏴🌲🏴‍☠️

A lot of people thought everything was done with postprocessing/effects, and that she couldn't sing live. Oli had her on stage with her and they sang it as a duet. I'm a synysthete, so music holds a special place in my heart. Please take care and be kind to yourself today.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

Ryan has been acting super sus for a while now. I think this guy fucking sucks.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

I had just finished reading your (important, relatable, moving) Handbasket piece from last night when I clicked over here and immediately saw Grim's bs. The entire Platner saga has been viscerally repulsive on every level and I'm starting to get ANGRY that some men are so dedicated to continuing it

Ответ для brynne ridley

The ick and the feeling that Platner was a plant, but at least we got this banger outta it

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In the ‘laugh to keep from crying’ milieu to be sure nevertheless 💀💀💀

Ответ для Mother Of Sentient Beings🕊️

Absolute unquestioned internet 🥇

Ответ для brynne ridley

Oh, some of us have been angry about that for a very long time.

Ответ для Elisabeth Van Every

I've been angry but it's been tempered with disgust, disappointment and hurt. It isn't hurting me anymore. I am just angry. These people are repugnant and unfit for civilized society and they can therefore be disregarded or outright shunned.

Ответ для Elisabeth Van Every

For a very, VERY long time. Robin Morgan wrote about it in 1970 in her essay Goodbye to All That.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

I am having such a hard time with calling these guys “the left.” There is no place for rape culture in a left movement. I know they claim the label but to me, who IDs as a leftist, it’s abhorrent and antithetical to any left project Not that you’ve done this! I just mean generally

Ответ для tove lovesitwhen

I've had a hard time viewing Platner as a leftist no matter what he's said, and incredulous that leftists would support him. I'm coming to grips that there are just some really awful parts of the movement who don't really care about honesty or human rights. I'm glad they're showing us who to reject.

Ответ для tove lovesitwhen

The thing is that misogyny, like racism and other oppressions, is all over the political spectrum. All of us who are not on a particular axis of oppression have to work to challenge our assumptions about people who are.

Ответ для Island of Reil

I think (most of) these guys are sincere on some level about wanting economic justice, which puts them on the left. It's just that they literally do not care about any other oppression, and their view of "economic justice" is very narrow.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

It’s really telling that these shitholes will post this stuff on the shithole site but not here

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

My first thought was who the hell is this guy. It's been followed up with I don't really care. What the f*ck is wrong with people. I hate this timeline.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

It's abhorrent and gross and I'm unsurprised it's Grim saying such awful things

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

Do men understand that the moment you realize there is no longer any consent, you're just trying not to get killed? The totally unsurprising upwelling of fucking misogynistic rage it's unleashed is ... what? upsetting? unsurprising? gross? all of the above over and over again amen?

Ответ для C. McGuinn Freeman

🫂🫂

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

I hope you are taking care of yourself because a lot of people value your voice.

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I just want to post stats every day b/c it seems like men just do not get it. Example: The LEADING CAUSE OF INJURY FOR WOMEN BETWEEN 18-24 IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. Not car accidents. Not household burns. Not slipping and falling. Men. Men are the leading cause of injury to women. And 40% of murders.

Ответ для DC Cassandra

bc some reply guy is going to argue about it, here is just one of many many cites: www.facs.org/about-acs/st...

Intimate Partner ViolenceSurgeons should identify and intervene when patients, colleagues, and trainees are victims of IPV or can be identified as an at-risk situation.www.facs.org
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tbh it’s a miracle we haven’t risen up against our oppressors. Convinced this is the underlying fear of women-only spaces and feminist movements. Men think we’ll murder them when we wake up and realize we have nothing to lose but our chains lol (not lol tho b/c they really believe that, sigh)

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I think it’s the gender version of the white nationalist terror of Black folks. They know how shitty they’ve been and believe that were the situation reversed, PoC, women, religious minorities and others they’ve harmed will treat them like they’ve treated us. www.pbs.org/show/white-with-fear

White with FearExamine how some of America’s conservative political machine uses racial fault lines to gain power.www.pbs.org
Ответ для DC Cassandra

I’m not going to pretend I’m not late to this particular convo, but how is this “Ryan Grim bullshit”? What’d I miss?

Ответ для FactsOverFeelings

All I know is I knew Platner was a pile of 🚮 a year ago.

Ответ для FactsOverFeelings

Ditto on Platner and It’s Ryan Grimm jumping to his rescue by deciding to nit pick the accusers texts. Brocode makes rape culture go round and Ryan is just showing his (misogynist) ass.

Ответ для DC Cassandra

I read the thread and I got that same impression. Just wasn’t coming through to me, initially. Thanks for your reply. It was very helpful. :D

Ответ для DC Cassandra

Brazil passed reinforcements to existing women protection laws and we saw a lot of men unironically acting out the "we are become evil feminist dictatorship!" meme, "what, if i catcall now will i get castrated? Are you going to tie me in a cuck chair and electrify my urethra over a joke?!?!"

Ответ для Apkallu

yeah, not having the ability to abuse and rape us with impunity is apparently very threatening to your average man.

Ответ для DC Cassandra

Yes but also no, but in principle, yes. "Gender war" mentality got them to think women are the secret master puppeteers of society and THEY WILL lawfare over any minor inconvenience and they will have no resources because men are perceived as fundamentally predatory and EVIL.

Ответ для Apkallu

It's patriarchy and the no part is because it actually runs deeper and this seeps into causes for transphobic discourse within the lgbtq community - as if trans women had inherent "predatory tendencies" from "male socialization" or if transmasculinity meant the "yearning for predation".

Ответ для Apkallu

You see both pieces of (shit) discourse floating around from time to time. A reductionist view will lead the analysis to gravitate back to patriarchal tendencies.

Ответ для Apkallu

Much is lost nuance wise in the takes that go on on this and any social media platform. That’s why I’m a luddite at heart. I appreciate your contribution to the discourse 🫡

Ответ для Apkallu

Do you follow @jeffsharlet.bsky.social? I think you two would get along (he also gets and is vocal about the biological determinism about masculinity as inherently violent/evil is also just patriarchy part)

Ответ для Apkallu

So, women are the “Jews” of gender lol. As a jewish woman, I’m doubly evil I guess. Kind of like how I’m a Double Dragon in the Chinese zodiac (Fire Dragon, tyvm, yes it is the coolest sign)

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Also though, why’d they make her so hot? Like methinks this is the future THEY want and just don’t want to admit it lolololol

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Ответ для George Wishart

projection/confession/etc

Ответ для DC Cassandra

threaten me with a good time, sheesh lol

Ответ для DC Cassandra

Thats not just a good time, its a great time! 😁

Ответ для David Manning

“Hey guys, I wanna let you all in on something. We don’t kink shame over here and furthermore we have many, many, many very hot women who would love to whip the shit out of you and any other man wearing a stupid red hat. Defect to the other side and live your truth!"

Ответ для Apkallu

This is the future liberals want (laudatory)

Ответ для DC Cassandra

Also I should clarify that I mean shitty men. I dislike the flattening of entire groups that happens online and in modern lefty spaces generally. There are tons of men who are the opposite of shitty and the reason you get to hear all the rants is precisely b/c you are the ones here listening <3

Ответ для DC Cassandra

yEs, mEn Do nOt GeT iT & wOMeN dO.

Ответ для Doug5301 👊

I mean they should since they are the ones doing it. But I’m giving the entire gender the benefit of the doubt b/c of gender socialization I guess.

Ответ для DC Cassandra

Interesting response. I doubt either men or women would be able to answer correctly as to this #1 cause of injury to women.

Ответ для Doug5301 👊

I agree. But I do think that most women are more aware of the scope and scale of male violence than men are. This is why women take a bazillion precautions that men typically are unaware of to keep ourselves safe daily. The difference is socialization/propaganda teaches us it comes from strangers.

Ответ для DC Cassandra

that said in a news cycle like this one, I think that women are entitled to a bit of online rage. And also men should take it as a compliment because the alternative would be they know (again, they are the ones doing it?) and they just don’t give a shit which makes them look worse imho 🤷‍♀️

Ответ для DC Cassandra

those of us who warned about Platner early and often especially get to post in ALL CAPS for at least the next 24 hours lol

Ответ для DC Cassandra

Living up to the name "cassandra"!

Ответ для BillThePony

It’s not a fun gig, I tell ya

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Receipts (sigh) bsky.app/profile/dcca...

DC Cassandra

No Graham Platner, I will not be make a contribution. This guy is not it and I say this as a Bernie4Lifer raised in Left circles. Maybe he’ll be the nominee, I don’t have to like or fund it. But what do I know, I’m just a girl that predicts tragedies no one listens to until it’s too late 🤷‍♀️

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💯

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This is why I respond to men who say women need "protecting" - FROM WHOM? so, so tired of this shit.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

broke down sobbing last night. sick of this shit

Ответ для Calvinball Congress

same. it’s awful. you’re not alone.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

Same. This is a hellish heartbreaking week. Also rage, but my rage place is pretty bruised and banged up.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

Yep. I was already dealing with the impact of all the rapists in ice hockey and at the World Cup, and now this grotesque shit. I can't even cry anymore, I'm just a bundle of continually activated nerves.

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Ответ для Dr. Ruth Marshall is still kicking against the pricks

I teared up a bit then diverted it to the ashen coals of rage that always live at the base of my psyche

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Ответ для Dr. Ruth Marshall is still kicking against the pricks

there is value in learning how to tame and control one's rage to something more long-burning and less exhausting it's in these times I appreciate the lessons that being a meat-eater who prefers to cook from scratch provide

Ответ для but the future refused to change

Sure. But I’m an old. I’ve been at this for 50 years. I am entirely out of patience and will be a flaming ball of furious retribution going forward.

Ответ для Dr. Ruth Marshall is still kicking against the pricks

When I say 50 years, I’m starting at age 11 when I categorically refused to attend obligatory girls-only Home Economics in middle school. I insisted I would be doing the boys-only Wood-shop. My mum agreed, raised hell. I was the first girl in Frontenac County to win the Gr. 8 wood-shop prize. lol

Ответ для Calvinball Congress

Sooooo exhausting and I'm so angry (obv triggered by my own experiences) and I want justice for these women who had to relive all of this

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I’m so sorry

Ответ для Marisa Kabas
G

BRB throwing his books in the trash.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

We need a roundup of women and queer left newsletter writers folks can back after they cancel their Drop Site subscriptions 👀

Ответ для Marianne Dhenin

Yes

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Marianne Dhenin

alright, I think I am going to work on this! Send me a DM if you or folks you know ought to be on the list. I'm aiming to keep it to those who are solo indie publishers; women, gender-diverse, etc.; and cover politics as their main beat.

Ответ для Marianne Dhenin

alright, I think I am going to work on this! Send me a DM if you or folks you know ought to be on the list. I'm aiming to keep it to those who are solo indie publishers; women, gender-diverse, etc.; and cover politics as their main beat.

Ответ для Marianne Dhenin

We follow each other but I can't DM you for some reason! Anyway, I'm queer / disabled / feminist / all that and politics is part of the beat, might not be right for this but maybe? and wanna wave hi anyway, happy to amplify regardless.

Ответ для Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg

uh-oh I wonder if I have some weird settings for my DMs, though it doesn't look like it. But yes, I love your 100% Nazi-free newsletter!

Ответ для Marianne Dhenin

Alright, correction: I did have weird DM settings. Should be fixed now!

Ответ для Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg

Love your work!

Ответ для AntiNickname

Honored! ♥️

Ответ для Marianne Dhenin

Will you make it a bluesky list or something for folks to follow? I was just talking to my friend about gathering more independent journalists to follow.

Ответ для AntiNickname

There are already some of these going around (@alexip718.com has a good one on slop-free indie sites I'm thinking of and hoping I'm on). The list I'm putting together will be much smaller, but it's a good idea! I will make a note to do it.

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Yea, I also suspect some of the pubs we're disappointed in are on those lists (through no fault of the list makers at the time!)

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Ответ для professor tools for commensality (red scare edition)

so it turns out if you write "if your fav politics reporter outed themself as a r*pe apologist this week" in a starter pack description, you will have your starter pack making privileges yanked REAL FAST. But I'll see if I can get one up tomorrow. Here's a sparse starting list in the meantime:

It's time to trade up.Welp, men let us down this week—again. And it wasn't just the one with the Nazi tattoo and a growing list of credible sexual assault allegations to his name. There was a whole crowd of them that crawl...newsletter.mariannedhenin.com
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Lolllllll Thanks!!

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Oooo thanks so much!

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and The Lever, sadly bsky.app/profile/inqu...

professor tools for commensality (red scare edition)

no *you* wasted part of your morning writing a screed to The Lever for platforming Stoller about how Platner is a victim of "political attacks" (i don't subscribe, tho i used to. a subscriber forwarded to me)

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Ответ для 🌏🐶🦕🥳 Vegetable Gremlin ⍼​👻🥦💥🏠♫

*huge sticker labeled CANCEL MACHINE slapped haphazardly over an industrial woodchipper*

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

We have suffered this trauma since 2016. I am pretty distanced from mine but it still sucks. SHE TOLD HIM NO DO NOT COME OVER.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

does he not see how that makes it worse?

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

From Rebecca Solnit’s yesterday: “David J. Morris, who wrote about PTSD, wrote me: ‘The science on the subject is pretty clear: …rape is about 4x more likely to result in…PTSD than combat…— being raped is 4x more psychologically disturbing than going off to a war and being shot at and blown up.’”

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I did not need to know this. I can tell you my own history is I’m fckn glad I was able to walk away, too many times. I remain uncomfortable in a room that doesn’t have an equal number of women. Or rather just many guys, mostly or all men. I truly do not feel safe.

Ответ для katekimball

I believe that, yeah. The act of being personally victimized and devalued has to be so much more psychologically painful that combat stress. I served two tours in Iraq, but was never in combat, so I don't know the experience. I've also never been raped. I did have a classic narcissist parent (my

Ответ для Steve Stinson

mother), who left me with what I believe would be characterized as PTSD. I've been horribly affected by it since I was 18, when I tried to become independent, and she assigned me the role of family enemy and dunce, which had previously been assigned to my sister. My sister then got assigned

Ответ для Steve Stinson

my role. My sister is gone now. She didn't survive the years of 5-15 in her life, when she was alone in her misery in the family, and at such a young age. She died of an unintentional drug overdose, but was suicide in everything but name only. And I got permanently f'd up. And only my wife

Ответ для Steve Stinson

understands and believes me, because my mother spent her life in machinations of manipulation, making sure everyone was on her side. She was charismatic, had all the money in our family, and doled out approval or disapproval at her whim. She basically killed my sister. I came close a few times,

Ответ для Steve Stinson

but survived. But with deep-seated pain, self-doubt, and a feeling of having been completely victimized by my own mother. So I know about a person victimizing you. I am deeply sorry for all the women who have been victimized by men. It's so many. And it's deep pain. But also, you're all strong.

Ответ для Steve Stinson

But I guess no one will care if a woman victimized a man, haha. Eash

Ответ для Steve Stinson

WTF

Ответ для Auntie Em

Same asshole, yeah, haha. I responded to you up top. Most wouldn't bother to respond to me. Only you were shitty enough to criticize. But it does show something very unfortunate, in the end. All victims should be heard and made to feel validated. Not just women. But ...

Ответ для Steve Stinson

Also, this guy Platner sounds like he probably is a narcissist as well. It's far more rare than people think. Almost like every time someone else is an asshole or selfish, people slap that label on it. But in Platner's case, I bet he is. I just don't know him well enough to say, "Yeah, he is."

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It's fucking sick, and it's on a societal level. And then if we think of how horrible it is in the U.S., just imagine in places where rape is used as a weapon of war. Or even places like the Solomon Islands, where it's so deeply ingrained in the culture that women are afraid to walk alone. And ...

Ответ для Steve Stinson

there also exists, once in a much smaller while, cases like that of my family. My mother was a narcissist parent in the sense of she would be labeled one clinically. It was that sick and the family dynamic was that warped. She essentially led to my sister's suicide, and she f'd up my oldest ...

Ответ для Steve Stinson

brother and me. It was a textbook case of narcissist parent. One brother got through OK, although he lives with a lot of delusion and denial. So it's also possible for women to destroy men's lives. Or even other women's. But I obviously get that men on the whole are far more dangerous to women.

Ответ для Steve Stinson

Interesting, and probably not surprising. The lack of engagement shows that women here don't universally sympathize with people, and especially one who was victimized by a woman. I 100% sympathize with women who have been raped. It's horrid and inhuman.

Ответ для Steve Stinson

Way to make it about you, my dude. Perhaps narcissism is hereditary.

Ответ для Auntie Em

Haha. Typical ahole response. It actually is hereditary, but I know I don't have it. By the way ... read all the responses here. So many are about their personal feelings and personal experiences with being victimized. I was just curious to see if women could sympathize with everyone. And no

Ответ для Steve Stinson

Also, this guy Platner sounds like he probably is a narcissist as well. It's far more rare than people think. Almost like every time someone else is an asshole or selfish, people slap that label on it. But in Platner's case, I bet he is. I just don't know him well enough to say, "Yeah, he is."

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

It was absurd to see people defending Platner before Monday and it was disheartening how many people have refused to admit they're wrong. Then there's people like this who are going past the point of no return to die on this hill and just showing everyone the kind of creep they've always been.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

The outright refusal of a lot of men (including ones supposedly on ‘our side’) to look at any situation from the point of view of the women in their lives makes me sick, though I’m certain it’s a tiny fraction of what women must feel anytime something like this hits the news cycle.

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Ryan Grim knew what he was doing by setting up and weaponizing Reade's rape accusation in 2020. It is not a coincidence that he is attacking these allegation now, meanwhile, there are armies of bots and white leftist men out there sneering at women "Believe all women. What about Tara Reade? Huh?"

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

And people wonder why she waited to come out. She knew the crap she was going to go through. She knew people would blame and question her.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

Based off grim's tweet, I would assume that needing a massage was the same as saying you need to wash your hair: a polite way to say you're not up for company. Perhaps Politico didn't include it because they thought people like grim would read it exactly like he did. I am so tired of apologists.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

He is now and always has been a douchebag POS

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Also, the idea of Grimm calling ANYBODY out about a breach (real or imagined) of journalistic ethics is-- well, I'm guessing he doesn't own any mirrors.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

Racicot’s story is so devastatingly common in its scope and intimacy. It’s not an Epstein crime ring: it’s a guy you’ve been dating with a drinking problem and PTSD. Every woman has had to engage in that same gossip-as-safety-screening conversation. We’re fucking tired of this shit. Men, sit down.

Every thing I think of to say is more unprintable than the last

HEY SO A GLUTE MASSAGE ISN’T PENETRATIVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, RYAN. Can they hear themselves? Is no one around who can see their words and say “WHOA HEY NO DO NOT HIT SEND, GUY” I really hate this timeline.

“She told him not to do so” Yeah Ryan we get that he doesn’t take no for an answer

Ответ для Jack Scrambo

White knighting for Graham Platner is insane

Ответ для Meatwad Ron: Summer of Ron

Especially when you have to admit right in the post that she told him not to come BUT HE DID IT ANYWAY [and then raped her]... The continuum of real mea culpas to "he's bad BUT" to "actually this is the left's fault" to "he should stay in the race" online is just crazy to see.

Ответ для Meatwad Ron: Summer of Ron

The fact that Grim admitted that Platner was his favorite bartender in DC really says a lot. Even more now

Ответ для Jack Scrambo

The 'but he came over quickly' part to me is him trying to excuse planter as not seeing the follow up text in time not to do an SA. Because i would have said "but he came over anyway" which is more accurate

Ответ для Aly

You’re absolutely right

It wasn't reported on b/c it was irrelevant...as in, saying "I want a massage" followed by "don't come over" means the previous text was just a statement, not a request or offer or sign of consent What's shocking is how many so-called "left" males are proving misogyny never was just for MAGATS

Yeah, fuck that noise. No means no. Period.

oh my fucking god, he's insane

Ответ для Rebecca Schoenkopf

Or a narcissistic sociopath. They appear stupid but they're really manipulative. Like Trump. What he says is insane. Why he says it might be a different thing.

I hope every single woman in his life reads this message loud and clear.

Here’s a thought experiment that journalism “bros” like Grim are sure to fail: Suppose Politico found proof that Racicot had completely made up her rape allegation against Platner. Should they report that? The answer is: No. Because reporting it would discourage future victims from coming forward

To act like this is some profound revelation that is being withheld from the public is both disingenuous and sickening. Do better.

Among the many Really Big Problems in this whole mess is the fact that, while there may be some limited accountability for Platner after an absolute barrage of red flags, there is NO accountability for the bros who keep toxic-male defending him. Platner loses a job opp, Grim...loses nothing.

Our society really hates women.

More reasons every day to never watch Breaking Points again

Seriously, what the hell, you weirdos.

Did the text say she wanted Platner to be the glute masseuse?

Ответ для Madison

I'm a gay man, the real kind, not the "same straight asshole only gay" kind. A libidinous GUY will NEVER not twist your workd into sexy talk if he put his mind to it. They get worse over 40. In their head, you occupy space to serve their wants, needs and fantasies. You're nothing but a fetish.

Ответ для Birbra Strident (aka Vegestache)

One horrendous example : a guy says hi on Grindr. Seems decent enough. "Hi back!" Chatter chatter. What? Right now? No, sorry (sigh). - But I was gonna pay you. - SCuUse mE? - I pay you. - I'm not a worker. - Then I don't pay you, same /block. Psychopaths. They're not rare, mind you.

Ответ для Birbra Strident (aka Vegestache)

Many of us are familiar with that type of guy which may be why we saw Platner for who he was, while some younger or those with fewer interactions with these types, did not.

This is to emphasize not diminish MK’s point but saying “I need my glute massaged” doesn’t mean “I want to have sex” or, more importantly “I want to have sex with you [GP]“. Saying “no don’t come over” makes it even clearer! I feel like it’s crazy to read this as consent!

Ответ для Lembas Eater

A certain class of male who will take anything said by a woman as "So you're saying there's a chance? Lemme come right on over & find out"🤢 "No" is a complete sentence, not the opening salvo for negotiations to have sex🤢

Ответ для Lembas Eater

There’s a significant subset of men that will turn anything into a “yes” and take that as “permission.” Even if that “yes” they extrapolated started distinctly as a “no.”

Ответ для Lembas Eater

right! like sometimes you just need a fuckin massage and it’s not an overture or request but just an acknowledgment that some part of you is in some kinda pain or discomfort and taking it as an invitation against overt refusal is just so. aaaAAAAAAAAAAA

Guessing this is his counter to try to regain support to justify staying in the race. I genuinely dont think hes leaving.

I know the bank asked me not to rob it but there was money inside, so…”

Sounds like just another layer of him not giving a shit about consent. She told him not to come to her place and he did anyway.

oh my god these men

It very clearly shows her not consenting. These people are disgusting.

Also, there’s no sexier word out there than “glute” - other than maybe “pecs”. If you want to turn a man on, definitely use the standard health club abbreviation of the Greek term for a muscle group.

Infuriating! When I was a kid I was assaulted when I was about 14, all my mom wanted to do was make sure we get the guy then tie him to my old Mare put burrs under the saddle and tell him to hang on for dear life I think we could make that great again #SheShed

I know he's stupid but even he isn't stupid enough to think this is a Thing, so it's just him cynically but I guess accurately assuming his fans are even dumber than he is.

Ответ для Thembo

I don't know, he's actually a pretty fucking stupid person

Ответ для Plover Oatt

Ryan “ummm?? I guess you guys didn’t know Platner’s wife is Jewish??” Grim

Ответ для Thembo

He’s solidifying his hold on the pro M4A/pro rape media corner

Ответ для tove lovesitwhen

Losing more faith by the day in the entire "progressive but not socialist or DSA" wing

Ответ для Thembo

It's propaganda he wants his readers to parrot.

Ответ для Thembo

That comment from Ryan Grim is so gross it is making me feel physically ill. He stops just short of saying what he means because he is a coward

Ответ для Thembo

I call it the Bias Lobotomy. People will genuinely make themselves much stupider than usual in order to protect their worldview.

Nothin to see here just a journalist with a huge audience acting like it’s exculpatory evidence that she invited him over

Ответ для Sal r.r. tamarkin

Even crazier: she specifically told him not to come over after he invited himself over

“But she mentioned her glute! That means yes even though she explicitly said no!” 🙄

Ответ для Allena (Ah-lay-nuh), she/her I support 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🇺🇸🎌

You see, she said she needed something( " glutes massaged") and for apparently way too many men that means it was justified to go over and "help" her despite her saying in writing explicitly for him not to come over It's really sickening to still have men think this way when I'm 50+

Ответ для Allena (Ah-lay-nuh), she/her I support 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🇺🇸🎌

Well you see, he came over "quickly" implying that poor widdle planter just didnt see the follow-up text in time to not do a SA

First of all, “glute” is the least sexual way to describe your butt and she didn’t say “I need YOU to massage my glute” and even if she had the fact she said no after that at any time is the more important information.

I hope women take note of this being Ryan Grim's attitude to consent and please be sure, everyone, to remind him of it as often as a dude carrying water for a rapist deserves. Hope he isn't married or currently dating cos maybe he wont be after his hypothetical partner sees this.

who in their right mind would even think this exchange possibly helps his case?! oh, right, misogynists. silly me.

I hope Ryan Grim’s shitty responses about this finally get people to stop supporting him. Unfortunately, he’s continually been racist towards Black people but no one cared. We’d be way better off if people stop listening to him.

it’s really hard to see these types of defenses of Platner and not ask a lot of questions about the personal conduct of the people making them

Ответ для gita “the formalist” jackson

these guys can't help themselves. they literally can't shut the fuck up.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

i was ranting about this with david last night. if you were wrong on platner it is absolutely an option to take your L in silence. like you can just shut up!

Ответ для gita “the formalist” jackson

Or even not in silence! Like just say "whoa, I was super wrong on this one," and then go figure out why you were so wrong so that you can avoid taking more entirely avoidable Ls in the future. Figure out who was right the whole time and listen to them going forward, it's not hard.

Ответ для Serra Sea

Its always ok to say "damn, I was wrong." !!

Ответ для how-are-u

"Fuck I'm stupid, I'm going to listen to women more often for a while now" that's all anyone needs to say

Ответ для Elsiemon

"I was an idiot and i will try to learn!" not hard!

Ответ для how-are-u

TOTES

Ответ для how-are-u

a bit hard, actually, but really worth it.

Ответ для Elsiemon

Women, Jews, people who understand what Senators do...the list goes on tbh

Ответ для how-are-u

It can be hard to do this. Worse, we live in a culture that widely socializes people - men especially - to see doing so as a detestable weakness. And even worse than that, Ryan Grim exists

Ответ для Serra Sea
Ответ для Mary the Insufficiently Grateful Lesbian

Out of curiosity, which one?

Ответ для Shaiapouf

A bsky'er, not a Famous Person or a member of the commentariat. Just a dude who had supported Platner and said "I take responsibility for my part in this."

Ответ для Mary the Insufficiently Grateful Lesbian

Naomi Klein is the only member of the commentariat I've seen apologize and admit she didn't see what was there

Ответ для gita “the formalist” jackson

Gita, you're not thinking about the real victims here, people who were publicly wrong online

Ответ для sam !

They are being crucified according to them!

Ответ для Josh D. S. 2 On the Beach

Listen sometimes you have to buy a bunch of lumber and nails, build a cross, and hammer yourself to it, and that's just the way life is

Ответ для sam !

The other people won't do it! So rude!

Ответ для Josh D. S. 2 On the Beach

I’ll do it! I love to help people see the error of their ways.

Ответ для sam !

"I just wanted to defeat Susan Collins" is the new "it's about ethics on games journalism"

Ответ для Infinite Perspective

I mean listen no, I'd accept that as an apology. 'I was blind, and looked past all the red flags because I thought it was vital to defeat Collins at any cost, even a terrifyingly high one, but nothing is worth this'. Idk!

Ответ для sam !

I misspoke, using the past tense when I meant to use present, as in not actually abandoning the fucker and using Collins as the excuse

Ответ для Infinite Perspective

Ahhhhhhh no yeah legit.

Ответ для sam !

I'd have an easier time accepting that if they hadn't been so adamant he was the only one who could beat her even back in October when they had months to back another horse. They liked that particular horse despite no experience and no demonstrable redeeming qualities

Ответ для Haribo's_Biggest_Hater

Oh no for sure I agree with you!

Ответ для sam !

Sorry, I'm just so used to dealing with Platner supporters that I guess I can get a bit argumentative. The racist little Nazi mercenary (and apparently now rapist) just really grinds my gears

Ответ для gita “the formalist” jackson

that clip of Ta-Nehisi Coates asking Ezra Klein “was silence not an option” needs to be on repeat in all of these idiots’ heads until they die.

Ответ для gita “the formalist” jackson
Ответ для gita “the formalist” jackson

Naomi Klein also had a good response to being wrong on Platner.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

Why are you being so disingenuous? I just listened to the entire Breaking Points clip about this from today, and at no point do they absolve Platner for anything. They also never said she was “asking for it,” or even alluded to that being possible. Why are you doing this?

Surprised he hasn't tried to track down what she was wearing when she texted.

Ответ для mklinger421

We'll probably find out it was workout clothes, and she was commenting on the effects of doing squats that day.

Is the next grim post complain that they didn't say how sexy she was dressed or something? Sheesh

Ответ для Emoji Caresser

These guys were just waiting for the right rapist to defend and theyve decided its a political newcomer former merc in a state that might as well entirely be a national park

Ответ для Emoji Caresser

oh hey, rapist logic here too, huh. wacky!

Did she say “Hey Nazi Boy, I want you to massage my glute”? No? Then it wasn’t a fucking invitation. Especially when she explicitly told him to not come over.

Ответ для Charlie Fillenwarth

How was he supposed to read and process information when he came over so fast? She should have responded quicker.

Ответ для Charlie Fillenwarth

Clearly, whenever a woman talks about sex with a man, it means she wants to fuck that man and the consent is irrevocable.

Ответ для Pé 🍺🧿

not even sex! a sore glute!

Ответ для Rebecca Schoenkopf

"I need a massage" is a statement of fact, nothing else! Is Grim's view of consent so warped he can't see that?

Ответ для Zach Rosenberg

Spoiler alert: Yes.

Ответ для Rebecca Schoenkopf

women's bodies are the sex bodies. talking about them at all makes men so horny they can't be held responsible for their penis

Ответ для six

It's not funny at all but I can't help but laugh at how absurdly true "women's bodies are [considered] the sex bodies" is. This kind of victim blaming isn't much more sophisticated than "but women are for sex."

Ответ для Rebecca Schoenkopf

It could’ve been sciatica nerve 🤷‍♀️ it was not an invite. It was not sex talk.

Ответ для Rebecca Schoenkopf

100% this

Ответ для Rebecca Schoenkopf

C’mon, you can’t expect a guy to know the difference between a glute and a vulva. I mean, that’s like graduate level biology or something.

Ответ для Pé 🍺🧿

The one loophole women and police hate.

Ответ для Pé 🍺🧿

"I hurt a muscle and need a massage" isn't about sex, though

Ответ для Pé 🍺🧿

Especially if she uses sexy language like “glute.”

Ответ для Pé 🍺🧿

Especially when he shows up raging drunk

Ответ для Charlie Fillenwarth

how does a glute massage even translate to sex lmao and why is he just glossing over the “she told him not to come over” maybe i’m taking that too literally but… it could simply just mean she had a hard lower body workout and needed a massage but maybe i’m stupid

Ответ для Charlie Fillenwarth

Well when his partner asks him for a massage I think its safe to assume he will automatically try to turn that innocent massage into sex. At least they are showing who they are.

Ответ для Charlie Fillenwarth

Also, if she had said that, she has every right afterward to then say "no" and it's still rape.

Every story that comes out about Platner show that he is straight up radioactive, and these pig brained pundits bend over backwards to defend him. It has nothing to do with Platners "progressive" platform and is instead a proxy battle for aggrieved white leftists to maintain their power position

Ryan Grim, ladies and gentlemen. Told you years ago he was irredeemable but Bernie!!!!!

Ответ для Islamic Republic of Jam
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Previous issues?

hey, fuck you @ryangrim.bsky.social

Ответ для Rude Law Dog

the labeler that never lets me down

Ответ для Matt

It's always super interesting to me when we find the things people will say on other websites that they just won't say here

Ответ для Harold Fjord

It's telling

Ответ для Harold Fjord

Just typed this and now see that you already said it. 💯

Ответ для Rude Law Dog

I blocked him today, and I don't like blocking as a rule.

Ответ для Rude Law Dog

I can’t stress enough how much I concur

Ответ для Rude Law Dog
Ответ для Julian (They/Them)

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cant wait til we find the skeletons in that smug douche Ryan Grim’s closet. He’s protesting WAY too much.

Gross. It’s like some people put on a helmet that keeps them online 24 hours a day and cannot think like a normal human anymore. They say the internet was a mistake but I’m starting to think we need to eliminate electricity itself so people go outside and talk to actual humans.

Funny how these DSA people are just as willing to justify and cover for sexual predator Graham Platner as the MAGA Trumper people are to justify and cover for sexual predator Trump.

Ответ для Darksnark

I’m not but what makes these guys “DSA people” considering the Maine DSA didn’t endorse or support Platner and none of these people out here running cover are DSA representatives.

Ответ для Jake

Daniel Moraff and Leanne Fan, the couple who coached and shaped Graham Platner into a populist-Left candidate, are both years-long DSA activists. And yes, the Maine DSA people did indeed "recommend" that liberals vote for Platner, which amounts to a de-facto endorsement.

Ответ для Darksnark

So we’re doing guilt by association now? A couple of DSA members (not even leaders) in the campaign does not a “DSA guy” make. They had plenty of opportunities to endorse or campaign and chose not to. All they did was recommend a vote for him in a single booklet once he was the only viable candidate

Ответ для Jake

Yeah, right. Two DSA operatives - one of them the former leader of a DSA chapter in Philadelphia - who worked to promote DSA candidates in other states went to Maine on the invitation of DSA people there to recruit Platner and did so while trying to hide his huge flaws. Platner is a DSA creation.

Ответ для Darksnark

Then again why didn’t they endorse him? They endorsed a nominee for governor. Why didn’t they campaign for him? They campaigned for many other candidates? Again all you have is guilt by association.

"You're going to need to get consent, which is a noise she makes, not a feeling you feel." - Taylor Tomlinson

How do you know this is true? This kind of unsubstantiated/no source posting is exactly what Twit is all about. JFC!

This is disgusting.

UUUUUUUGH! And on top of her specifically telling him NOT to come over, the guy is STILL a nazi, he was STILL a Blackwater merc, he still removed the rubber without consent, he's still a massive scumbag and one of the worst people alive, but whatever, I guess.

This is essentially the same logic that marital rape deniers use

first time I ever saw Ryan Grim I thought "this guy has the personality of a stump. what does he bring to this job besides looking like Temu Tucker Carlson" I had no idea how correct I was

this isn't what he's saying, it's a detail related to whether he broke into the house or thought he was invited, he discusses it on today's breaking points, but I agree the worst people will take it the wrong way. it matters for the court case not public opinion

Ответ для Dan

Saying no is clear that he wasn't invited. And don't be naive that it isn't trying to sway public opinion too.

Ответ для PolittleCat 🐸

Every reporting on the story including this is clear and doesn't dispute that she said no and so he wasn't invited. Ultimately his fault is rooted in being blackout drunk and there is no excuse. Reductionism just makes this stupid point stupider.

Ответ для Dan

But saying she needed her glutes massaged (the only thing he added) doesn’t change that.

"She made an offhand flirty remark which he decided was the go ahead to come over even though she expressly asked him not to. Obviously that means she's lying and Politico should be ashamed."

thank you for your clarity on this marisa it’s really needed

God my soul sank reading that. Fucking gross ass clown behavior

The only men who go to bat for rapists are the ones with skeletons in their own closets

It seems to be confirmation that it was a rape. You can turn it into the opposite only by wishing away the most important text.

Dude is trash. So is politico

“She responded by telling him not to do so.”

I have nothing good to say about Ryan Grim. I guess he can work with that like everything else

Grim needs to take a long walk into the ocean and never come back.

She said no again and again and again, fuck Ryan grim

I hate this. She specifically told him not to come over. Her saying she needed a massage is irrelevant. She said no. Don't. Period. Your lady/dude could say "Im horny right now, but I don't want sex" that means no. There's no permission given. Period.

First of all, it's not at all clear, even with Grim trying to spin it in the most pro-Platner way possible, that she ever wanted *him* to come over. And, even if she did, she isn't allowed to change her mind?

Also, "but he is *our* rapist"

D

Politico practices just absolute garbage journalism and editorial practices. In a better world they would be shut down. In an even better world they would actually respect and uphold their responsibilities as a news outlet and report accurately and without favor.

It sucks so bad that Jeremy scahill has to deal with this fucking moron being his coworker. Jeremy puts out incredible work and like 95% of Ryan's output is just this bullshit

Ответ для DNC polling expert 🔻

Not surprising that the most hardcore platner supporters in the media are the lefty "reporters" and personalities that stayed on twitter. Grimm, majority report, ken klipp, Matt stoler. So many ppl now think that you can defend rape from the left just bc they've been brain broken by twitter.

Ответ для DNC polling expert 🔻

And even aside from this shit, the policies/influence that Platner brings to the table are worth exactly zero percent of these guys ruining their own reputations for it and alienating their cause. Did Glenn Greenwald pass a curse over these men? They really don't have to keep tweeting! just stfu!

Ответ для Jennifer C. Martin

But you don't understand!! They're owning the mainstream media Epic Style and definitely aren't just being an incredibly off-putting creep and making everyone they work with look terrible.

Ответ для DNC polling expert 🔻

Imperalism or some shit.

Ответ для Jennifer C. Martin

These arent the left. They are Russian plants. The whole lot of them. I used to listen to some. Taibbi, the Democracy Now crowd, TYT, Hedges, Truthdig, Code Pink, I could go on and on. One big infection.

Ответ для Eugene Hetzel

I think you're very stupid for thinking that.

Ответ для Eugene Hetzel

You think Chris Hedges is a Russian plant? I think you're just trolling, man.

Ответ для Wheat

He worked for RT. Among many other things. Sorry.

Ответ для Eugene Hetzel

So did Larry King and a lot of other people. Usually because billionaire owned MSM outlets wouldn't platform anyone that doesn't serve corporate interests. Painting everyone on RT as a Russian op is a pretty superficial standard to judge people by.

Ответ для Jennifer C. Martin

Oh yeah, and again I was fooled a while ago, but lets not forget Ring of Fire had RFK and Mr. Majority Report, who would have known.

Ответ для Jennifer C. Martin

At some point we have to accept misogyny and rape culture are part of the cause being championed by the DudeBro Leftists. The male version of TERFs (not a perfect analogy)

Ответ для DNC polling expert 🔻

And also, tada, the same guys who love talking about how broken blue sky is

Ответ для DNC polling expert 🔻

Dude, Scahill is just as shit. All part of a huge Russian influence campaign. I used to listen to them too a long while ago.

Grim outing himself as a predator. Again.

Ответ для Gojira1000
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Previous examples?

isn't the breach here that they left out the important part "she told him not to come over but he came over anyway"

Ответ для Timmy Valenti

But they didn’t leave that out. It was in the politico story. The only thing wasn’t is the line about glutes, which is irrelevant.

Same old misogynistic excuse, and yet another media failure.

“If she didn‘t want sex, how come I thought she did? Checkmate, libs!”

Grim white-knighting for abusers and retraumatizing the abused as he always does because he is literally a monster.

Shit. I have genuinely text someone I need my glutes massaging. If that physio therapist ever runs for office....

I think Grim's closest needs to be examined for skeletons at this point

Ответ для Peter 🏳️‍🌈

I’m not going in there.

Ответ для Peter 🏳️‍🌈

It's all out in the open, no closet involved, he works for Russia , see what he did to Reality Winner

Ответ для human333777

I was thinking more of the sexual assault variety of skeleton

Ответ для Peter 🏳️‍🌈

Could be

Ответ для Peter 🏳️‍🌈

Wear a hazmat suit.

Is ‘Ryan’ the official name for creepy fashbros now???

she probably texted a lot of other things that were irrelevant to the assault. the only way this can seem a "shocking breach of journalistic ethics" is if you believe it's relevant, e.i. if you believe a no doesn't matter because of an earlier yes

ryan grim should not be allowed on progressive shows and podcasts ever again. this is his nth horrible fuck up

Ryan Grim is a rape culture promoting POS.

Ответ для Michael Broussard

He's also thinks he's some kind of expert policitcal strategist, but it turns out he's just a really, really stupid tantrum throwing toddler

Ответ для NonnyLynda

lots of that going around these days

Ответ для NonnyLynda

Neera tanden worked for bill clinton who had how many women claim sa?

boy does this says everything about Ryan Grim and nothing about anyone else involved in the story....

Wow, trying to take what you think as the moral high ground, and instead outing yourself as a total creep.

Kind of hilarious that Grim has retreated to his Nazi bar safe space since the rape allegations dropped so that he can feel safe arguing that she asked to be raped.

HOW DOES THIS CONTRADICT ANYTHING SHE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW?!?!?! This fucking GUY, man >:( >:( >:(

"She responded by telling him not to do so". Enough said.

Jesus fucking Christ this guy is a piece of work

If anything, the journalistic malpractice is that it makes Planter look even fucking worse and more like a rapist.

Ответ для Ryan C. Smith

Totenkopf and all for this scenario

Sorry if I’m missing something here, but what’s his point? I’m guessing he’s saying the “breach of ethics” is not presenting the text verbatim, so is he just upset they didn’t make this public? Because I don’t see how this is anything other than proof that consent wasn’t given…

Ответ для jay ghost

If anything it shows that dude was in a hurry to violate her autonomy.

She might as well have just said, "I have a sore throat that needs tending" or "I have a headache that needs a temple rub" for all that matters. She STILL said "don't come over "" and sure as shit didn't give her consent to getting raped.

The OOF I just oofed.

Platner raised my hackles from the beginning because he reminded me of guys I grew up with in a small rural town. Guys whose families had wealth and influence, who never had to face any consequences and got away with everything. Date rape was a casual hobby for a lot of them. Grim et al do too.

Why no alt? Some of us survivors of SA need his name muted right now, and the lack of alt text is making that exceedingly difficult. Additionally, y'know... Accessibility for folks using screen readers. Please remember to copy the post text into the alt text field. Please ❤️.

This guy needs to take a breath. He’s doubling down longer than Platner himself.

love that woman can’t even mention that she, in general, needs a massage without that apparently being an all-access pass to her entire body

A: "I need my glute massaged" is not consent. B: Non-consent can be clearly highlighted at any time, like in a text that clearly says "no, don't come over." C: Consent can be withdrawn at any time, even if previously given.

Yes. Shocking. Never before has sexual assault been so intentionally distorted by the press or the media 🙄

So Grim pushed the obviously bullshit Tara Reade “Biden fingered me in a crowded hallway” story knowing her crazy background but is now trying to downplay a 100% credible allegation of sexual assault backed by other witnesses and clear timelines.

Ответ для TRuxMintinBox

Yes, he is a Russian plant.

Would anyone trust their drink with Ryan Grim at a bar?

She literally told him “No” in the message.

*says something mildly flirty* *weirdo invites himself over* *she says no, dont come here* *he ignores her wishes and comes over anyway* Internet dummies: "Why would SHE do that?!?!"

Ответ для Biz

She deleted the text messages so no evidence behind her story.

Ответ для Falcao Farm Dressage

Except for all the third-party sources that were investigated and corroborated, sure.

Ответ для Dem

And she filed a case against him with said "evidence" ??? WAPO said therapist said she met with them but didn't indicate what they discussed so that's also not corroborated, the FB posts? really...FB? The Text messages were deleted by herself

Ответ для Falcao Farm Dressage

@erinbiba.bsky.social @cheesecakechik.bsky.social

Ответ для Falcao Farm Dressage

Oh look, one of those internet dummies I mentioned in the comment

Leaving out the (I need my butt massaged) text seems like leaving out a part of the story. Grim is not defending Platner here. He's a journalist giving the public more information about an important story.

7/8/26: Trump Says Iran Ceasefire Over, Bibi Rages Over Turkey, Platner Fallout Continues - Breaking Points with Krystal and SaagarRyan and Saagar discuss Trump says Iran ceasefire over, Bibi rages over F-35s to Turkey, Maine Dems reject Platner influencing replacement, Platner story left key details out. David Morales: https://...omny.fm
Ответ для Luck

How is it part of the story? The politico article stated they had been texting and then she told him not to come over. What part of the details of that text are important?

Ответ для Luck

"I need my butt massaged" is not consent. It's not an offer. It's not an invitation. It's a statement of fact. That you think otherwise is a problem.

Ответ для Kris

They were dating for 2 years

Ответ для Luck

And? Dating is not forever consent. Dating doesn't turn a statement of fact into consent. Jfc

Ответ для Kris

I don't believe it is. It's just context. For the story. They were dating for two years and he took a text for a massage as an invitation. The original story in the NYT made it sound like he was breaking into the home of someone he did not know. People deserve the full story.

Ответ для Luck

He took it for an "invitation" because he's a rapist. She didn't invite him to give her butt a massage.

My cynicism is metastisizing. Is there any part of our culture that isnt toxic, self-serving and morally bankrupt?

Ответ для Wheat

Yes

Not an anatomical expert, but last thing I heard, there are no glute muscles inside the vagina.

So the argument is that she referenced a muscle that men cannot decouple from sex, so any subsequent "no" statements are invalidated? Holy shit we are irredeemable as a society

jesus he just keeps getting worse

men over explaining men

"I'm sore. I could use a massage" "I'll fix you up real good (wink)" "Ew, gross, no." Ryan Grim: This sounds like consent to me.

My guess is that she knew he was a tinderbox and she was willing to play with matches anyway. Which still does not absolve Platner for his actions. Even if you taunt someone pointing a gun at you, it doesn't mean shooting you is okay.

Ответ для Old Dog

WTF?!?!?!?!! How the fuck can you try to “both sides” this?

Ответ для Old Dog

She told him not to come over. Stop trying to blame the victim.

Ответ для Old Dog

Are we living in some alternative world where "please don't come over" is actually code for "bang me like the world's loudest drum"?

I declined a date with a rando who approached me at the bookstore where I was working and he told me he was going to go out and rape & kill someone because I had made him so angry by turning him down & I should be sure to watch the news that night & when I saw the story I would know it was my fault.

Ответ для Cory

Dear God! I've had more female friends than male. And yet I'm always surprised by behavior like this. Clearly, these guys feel powerless and can't take rejection. But where does that DEPTH of insecurity come from?

Ответ для Williams.

being told that women are NPCs and that as a white guy our bodies and lives were for him to use as he pleased, and noticing that so far it wasn't turning out that way and he hadn't gotten what he felt he was entitled to and someone needed to be punished for that and that day it was my turn

Ответ для Cory

I've long wondered if the way media sells idealized women overpowers some boys/young men. So they don't believe they will ever achieve what media tells them they should--a relationship with such a woman--and that plus testosterone throws them into a tailspin.

Ответ для Williams.

Oh the poor boy, overpowered by the awful media, he has to threaten a stranger with rape and murder? No. Media tries to make everyone feel shitty — it's how they sell things — it never stops telling me I am too fat/old/ugly and that I only have value if I appeal to men. So what? I know my value.

Ответ для Cory

Something is causing this. What do you think it is?

Ответ для Williams.

Something way older than “the media,” my guy. This is not a brand new problem.

Ответ для AmberWavesofFlame

It isn't in one sense. But it feels like some of this is new.

Ответ для Williams.

Yes, the part where some guys starting paying attention to it except as an excuse to demonize the minority of their choice.

Ответ для Williams.

I’m in my 40’s. My freshman year of college I recall hearing the % was 1/3. 1/3 of women have been raped or sexually assaulted. I perceived it as high. It didn’t take long for this to flip. The % was nowhere near reality. “This is new” You perceive it as new b/c of env. (Cont)

Ответ для Kavita

It doesn’t meet your reality in the people you have chosen to surround yourself with & therefore you perceive this as a shift, perhaps brought forth by media, politics, etc. In reality, the only thing that’s changed is that they’ve been emboldened (quiet part) & are revealing our lived truth. 2/3

Ответ для Williams.

misogyny

Ответ для Cory

Right. But where is that coming from?

Ответ для Williams.

patriarchy

Ответ для Cory

I get that general oppression starts there. But not the rage. Rage is born somewhere else.

Ответ для Cory

Charmer!

Ответ для 🌏🐶🦕🥳 Vegetable Gremlin ⍼​👻🥦💥🏠♫

fuck off if "need to get my glutes massaged" reads to you like an unretractable invitation for rough fuckin you goddamned child. that is a regular fuckin thing for someone to say

Ответ для 🌏🐶🦕🥳 Vegetable Gremlin ⍼​👻🥦💥🏠♫
Ответ для 🌏🐶🦕🥳 Vegetable Gremlin ⍼​👻🥦💥🏠♫

Or even just fucking asking "hey, need me to massage them?" Which is still answered by the same no she already gave.

Looks more now like he asked for it (her testimony)

One time I kissed with a man at the bar who then insisted on going home with me after I repeatedly said no and he followed me out the door and I ran to a friend’s house because I knew he was trying to follow me home. I guess if he assaulted me that night I would’ve had it coming according to Grim.

Ответ для Frankie Huang 黄碧赤

honestly, yes. so many of us have had situations like that, and now we know where these men stand on our rights and safety. clarifying, really.

Ответ для Frankie Huang 黄碧赤

I have also had at least two experiences just like this. made out with a guy at a party, was happy to end it there, he pursued and attempted to get into my room anyway after I clearly said no, I wasn't going to sleep with him.

Ответ для S.E. Sinkhorn

It stupid part of my story is that the guy in question was someone I wanted to hook up with, but he was high/drunk out of his mind and originally I was suggesting he go home and we try some other time. But his terrifying insistence made sure that nothing ever happened ever again

Ответ для Frankie Huang 黄碧赤

no exactly!! in both instances, we were both drunk, him moreso than me, and I was like, "nah man hit me up when you're sober" AND THEN

Ответ для Frankie Huang 黄碧赤

I’ve literally had unknown men block my car from backing out of a parking space at a bar/nightclub. Thankfully there were other people around.

Ответ для Frankie Huang 黄碧赤

As a teen, I gave my co-worker a ride home. He raped me in my car.

Ответ для Annie from KC

I’m so sorry

Ответ для Frankie Huang 黄碧赤

Thanks. Didn’t tell anyone because I knew they’d ask why I gave him a ride home late at night.

Ответ для Annie from KC

To not leave someone stranded late at night? Fuck anyone who thinks you shouldn’t have shown kindness, much less that this is somehow on you.

Ответ для Annie from KC

I know what you mean. And I’m sorry we both have that knowledge.

Ответ для Frankie Huang 黄碧赤

Working as a bouncer I once kissed Greg Ginn of Black Flag and he *would not* leave me alone. I ended up having to hide upstairs and stay at the bar overnight bc he was looking for me. He grabbed my manager's arm so hard she had bruises in the shape of his fingers the next day.

Ответ для Gingerspiced

guess i would have "had it coming"

Ответ для Gingerspiced

I’m so sorry, that’s horrifying

Ответ для Frankie Huang 黄碧赤

yeah :( i hate seeing their merch

Ответ для Frankie Huang 黄碧赤

You know it.

Ответ для Frankie Huang 黄碧赤

I also want to say that I've had plenty of situarions where I said kissing was as far as I wanted to go and men and boys (when I was a teen) respected that, just naturally and without any pressure. It's not ingrained! They CAN do it, many just *choose* not to

Today on their news show Saagar (his cohost) put this in the context of accuracy in reporting and how initial Republican woman gave way more evidence not followed up on causing the SA Dem woman to have to give details. Saagar kept saying it was all about accuracy of journalists. But is it? Really?

It is very clear why that pos decided to share that crap on that hell site and not here.

M

She responded by telling him not to do so. So what exactly is the issue here?

I think guys like this take this position because they themselves are guilty of pushing for sex & ignoring women who say they don't want to. "She's saying no, but she's smiling." "She's saying no, but she's not stopping me." "She said no, but she went with it." "She wanted it. I did nothing wrong."

I might be horny, but if a lady says no, I don't. How hard is that?

This is important and you're doing important work. Please use alt text, and copy and paste text screenshots especially into alt text, so that you're not excluding everyone with a visual impairment.

No one recognizes the sunk cost fallacy in their own life.

Jesus, Ryan Grim is a bit of a thicky-thicky dumb-dumb isn’t he?

“Don’t come over” is clear, unless you’re a Grim.

Maybe we're all using the wrong dictionaries, maybe the english to date rapist edition covers all the situations where "no, don't come over" means "get over here ASAP I need this"

Rape apologists are the skeeziest of skeezies. Always assume they too will assault you.

"she responded by telling him not to do so"

N

"glute too tight" is the new "skirt too short"

Ответ для nicolasrobiodux
N

whether or not this detail is important to you

I don’t know how to express this to Ryan, but saying “my butt hurts and needs a massage” in a text does not give a boyfriend license to come over and rape his girlfriend.

Who is this twerp?

Politicos also didn't report what she was wearing either. Does Ryan need to know that also?

JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST.

I'm amazed (not really) that he thinks "she explicitly told him no" is a defense of his behavior, rather than proof of non-consent.

Ответ для Chris

When did he say that? It's not in this bit. Lots of wild leaps of logic here. Reading is hard.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

"He told her he was coming right over; she responded by TELLING HIM NOT TO DO SO, but he came over quickly." Reading may be hard for you, but not for the people who don't want to defend a rapist.

Ответ для Chris

Who's defending Platner? (No one, so far as I can tell) Nuance is just beyond some people.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

If you're going to say that she didn't say no to him, you're defending him. I'm gonna block you now, since I have no interest in any more conversation with someone who wants bend over backwards to defend a rapist.

Ответ для Chris

Changed my mind, I'm unblocking you so your rape apologia is out in the open.

Ответ для Chris

Your plan worked, I saw it. Gross.

Ответ для lilithspeaks

I originally thought to just block him and be done with him, but then it would hide his words from everyone else, and I'd rather people be able to see him for what he is.

Ответ для Chris

Yes. He’s dangerous.

Ответ для Chris

No one said that. Grim specifically said that she told him not to.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid
Ответ для Mary the Insufficiently Grateful Lesbian

Which assertion was proved wrong? That's not the wild leap I'm responding to in the comments. The wild leap is "He's defending a rapist," which is not what those words say.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

…yes it is. He’s trying to point to her comments about her body as some kind of irrefutable proof she really wanted it, even though she explicitly said “do not come to my home” What is hard for you, here?

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

it's actually absurd how badly you're failing to read the glaringly clear implication here. you of all people aren't allowed to judge others literacy when you're failing this publicly. i can explain it to you like i'd explain it to a small child so you understand it

Ответ для Hershel

so there's this thing called an implication. everybody uses the concept of one near daily. it's where you kinda of put out all the pieces of a lego project, next to a manual, next to a box with the image of what it's supposed to be.

Ответ для Hershel

now i haven't told you that i expect you to build it, or want the end result to be the same as what is on the front of the box. but the fact that i brought it out, laid it all out with the box and the manual is an implication that i expect you to complete it and that it resembles what is on the box.

Ответ для Hershel

so when a man pulls out the fact that a woman who was raped, first complained about needing her glute massaged and positions it as some sort of revelatory Gotcha type moment, the implication despite the fact that she also said no to him is that what she really did was ask for it, and want it.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Which part of Ryan lying for Nazi Tattoo Guy do you think shows the most “Nuance[sic]?

Ответ для Joe Poulin

Did he lie? The text he quoted was fabricated?

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

That isn’t an answer to my question, but I suppose nobody should be surprised, after you repeatedly claimed that you find reading to be very, very difficult.

Ответ для Joe Poulin

Lying - lie - I know they're slightly different, but that's the higher level of reading required here. The lie is the part I don't understand.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Do you genuinely not understand how what he's doing is a defence of Platner? Because it IS a defence. "it's not rape because she mentioned her butt" is the message he's conveying.

Ответ для Big DeVito Energy 🎂Aug. 11🎂

Maier has repeatedly stated that he finds reading very complex and that understanding this conversation requires unusual literacy skills, have some patience with him.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Your first sentence doesn’t make any sense as a reply to anything I’ve said? I suppose that’s what you mean about how complex you find reading? And you have decided you can’t answer my question and want to change the topic?

Ответ для Joe Poulin

For those of us who don’t find reading so scary, the most obvious lie is how it was a breach of journalistic ethics for the paper to not mention that the victim said she needed a massage before she told Platner to not come to her house.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

He is implying that a cheeky text is important context for the subsequent rape. This really isn’t hard, unless you’re somehow motivated not to grasp it

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

literally thousands of people both twitter and here, including Ryan Grim in that screenshot.

Ответ для Big DeVito Energy 🎂Aug. 11🎂

do they not teach reading comprehension anymore? can you tell me what you think Ryan is saying with that post?

Ответ для Big DeVito Energy 🎂Aug. 11🎂

The record was incomplete. He thinks the reporting should have been more transparent. Maybe he's saying that because he thinks Platner is innocent, but those words are not contained there.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

He's saying "it should be more transparent" because he thinks this information means it wasn't rape. which is defending Platner.

Ответ для Big DeVito Energy 🎂Aug. 11🎂

You're putting words in his mouth. This whole reaction is an allergy to nuance (stupidity).

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid
Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

It’s called him having a track record of being a bad faith misogynist

Ответ для Big DeVito Energy 🎂Aug. 11🎂

The words do not have to be contained, you have to read the message being sent and connect it to context. that's what reading comprehension is. You're literate, obviously you can write & read! Comprehension is being able to understand the message being conveyed even when not explicitly stated.

Ответ для Big DeVito Energy 🎂Aug. 11🎂

No one has connected the logic dots. *How does this "context" make this a defense of rape? Ryan Grim said something other than "kill Platner" regarding this case and everyone lost their minds. It doesn't matter that he's critiquing the reporting and saying nothing of Platner's guilt or innocence.

Ответ для Big DeVito Energy 🎂Aug. 11🎂

Hey yo, we don't argue with the dorks here. Just block him.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

You're ready to sit on the Supreme Court, I see.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

“the record was incomplete” how? none of this has changed anything about what happened. you’re either an idiot, or think in such black and white terms that you’re incapable of comprehension. he is literally in playing she is LYING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

He says it was a breach of journalistic ethics to omit what was easily determined by Politico to be irrelevant. For example, they also didn't say what Platner was wearing at the time, because that is also irrelevant. Only a belief on Grim's part that it was exculpatory explains his point of view.

Ответ для Sasha Margolis

The fact that he has a history of lying on Platner's behalf makes his point of view even more absurd.

Ответ для Sasha Margolis

I'm not familiar with these past lies. If they're as valid as calling this a defense of rape, I'll wait to boo.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

"Needing her glute massaged" is not an invitation. Its a statement. You're really going hard at trying to say that getting raped was her fault by ignoring that she said "not to come over" just like Ryan is doing so in his post. Take the time and think about that before responding again.

Ответ для The Dark Rattler

"She responded by telling him not to do so" These are his words in the above post. He ignoring the thing he just said?

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Yes. He's ignoring that she told him not to come over because he believes her saying "she needed her glute massaged" is enough of a gotcha or justification that she brought the rape on herself. There's no reasoning beyond "don't come over". Once she says that, that ends the conversation.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

G u r l

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

How does this change the substance of the reporting at all? It's still rape.

Ответ для Butlerian Jihad appreciator

It just adds more information, more context, more transparency.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

The context changes nothing. The only point of adding it is to create the talking point that Politico's story is illegitimate because they omitted something. It's Ryan's way of providing fuel to the dead-enders without the PR risk of openly denying a rape accusation.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

the only thing it does is imply she asked for it

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

No it doesn’t

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

The record also omits what they each ate for breakfast, what the ambient temperature was, and what their horoscopes said for the day. The omission is only relevant if you believe it makes a material difference in Platner's culpability; if you don't believe it changes his guilt, it's not important.

Ответ для briellastella

So you think the text sent to Platner just before he came over is as irrelevant as breakfast and horoscopes? You can believe in comprehensive transparent reporting for its own sake. Maybe that's not the case, but that's what these words say.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Either you think it changes the context of Platner's assault or you don't. If you don't, then you might as well be asking why Politico didn't include the outlook for Capricorns.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Yes, it's completely irrelevant

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

what exactly do you think i should conclude after she tells him no and he comes over anyway

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Any text sent before "NO DON'T COME OVER" is, indeed, irrelevant.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Are you aware that people are capable of acting in bad faith and that they might not always state their intentions explicitly, but it can often be gleaned from other context (like past behavior patterns)? We are not operating in a context-free vacuum here.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

You’re illiterate, huh?

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid
Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Wait untill you learn about this cool trick called context. It'll blow your mind

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

It has zero point or value on the reporting. None. Nada. Zip.

Ответ для Rep. Geoff Smith

Transparency has its own inherent value. I sure hope a "Rep" knows that.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Only if you think there’s something that could be said that would make rape acceptable.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

She quite clearly told him not to come. Nothing else before that matters. Nothing. Thanks for pointing out I'm an elected official. I'm proud of that.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

How complete are you demanding? Politico also skipped what she had for breakfast that morning; should they have added that? It’s similarly irrelevant. Unless you think the glute text changes the case, it didn’t need to be included. He thinks it’s important to include *because it changes things*.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

why does he think that text is relevant to thw assault?

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Articles don’t include every single facet of someone’s life, just the parts important to the story. Since this story is about rape, her discussing muscle pain isn’t relevant. Nor is whatever she ate for breakfast or if she wore matching socks that day, which are also missing from the article

Ответ для Erika

It's the text chain that directly precedes the rape visit. You think that's equally relevant to breakfast?

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Just the part where she says don’t come over. Which was in the story

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Pretty sure Grimm is defending him. Reading is hard.

Ответ для Lara

I'm pretty sure I know what words mean, and minus some other context, this is just a criticism of fellow journalists.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

So all of us women folk are just hysterical harpies and Grimm is just this amazing journalist?

Ответ для Lara

Seems he does think this

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

If you think, telling him not do so, is nuance vs explicit, again, how many ROs are out against you.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

There’s no nuance to her telling him not to come over

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Here, comments from the show. Which certainly sounds like everything was meant in defense of Platner.

Ответ для It Ain't Me.

yiiiikes

Ответ для Chris

To be fair we don't know for example if he heard her telling him not to or might have been eager to give her a massage he didn't even listen. Also saying don't come over and give me what I really want is not the same as telling him no to sex. That being said there's a lot else that is undefensible.

Ответ для brianwhiting

It was via text message. Don't come over means the exact same as don't come over. It's entirely indefensible.

Ответ для Chris

Okay, that's different. Being a product of the mid-20th century I assumed this was a telephone call. Never mind.

Ответ для brianwhiting

Brian, I am also older. Saying, “don’t come over,” whether via text or verbally means Don’t Come Over This is not difficult to understand unless someone is determined not to. I hope you’re not that someone.

Ответ для Mom-Ra, Queen of Unfinished Tasks

No, of course not. I'm just playing devil's advocate and there are several ways it could happen where he wouldn't hear something, but being in text means he has a written copy of her instructions. Either way when he arrived, he had some 'splaining to do.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Sit the fuck down dude. I’m a massage therapist and lots of people need their glutes massaged but none of them need to be raped. HTH

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

I was gonna ask if this is a joke because I don't want to yell at you if it's a joke but if it's serious here's the bit consider yourself yelled at.

Ответ для Drawnder: 🇵🇷 Cynical Calculation Enjoyer

Yeah, I read the whole thing before I commented. I'm still not making the leap you all seem to be making.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

"Reading is hard."

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

“No” means “no”. “Don’t come over” means “you do not have permission to enter my home, let alone me.” The preceding is genuine. What follows is sarcasm: “Conduct yourself accordingly.”

Ответ для Mitchell Epner

“Conduct yourself accordingly” seems like it should be non-sarcastic here.

Ответ для Stephen Hardwick

I long ago vowed never to use that phrase non-sarcastically.

Ответ для Mitchell Epner

This is the way.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

It's not really that hard. For example, everyone can tell exactly what you're doing here.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Are you suggesting he thinks it's journalistic malpractice to omit information that makes the guy look even worse?

Ответ для Darius Quebec 🏳️‍⚧️

That's honestly the way I read it. I don't know who he is though, and I never saw the original reporting he's referring to.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

are you fucking stupid?

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

How many ROs do you have against you. Not a question.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Grim thinks the "massage" text substantially changes the narrative. That's what he meant when he called the omission a "shocking breach of journalistic ethics." Understanding this doesn't require any "wild leaps of logic," just a basic grasp of rape culture.

Ответ для nerve stapling

If you're still struggling with this, look at how it's framed it on his shitty news site's Twitter account. source: x.com/DropSiteNews...

Ответ для nerve stapling

He thinks it's an important detail for the story. That's not defending rape. Some people think details are important. Some people are allergic to details, nuance, complexity... and see such as an attack on whatever they want to see reported.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

in order to properly focus on detail, we have to first determine what is worth focusing on and amplifying and what isn't. this is part of the job of a reporter

Ответ для eric shamow

Truly, if anyone reading this thinks “I want a glute massage, don’t come over to my house” means “come to my house so we can go to pound town,” please do not associate with other human beings.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

🙄

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Do you think he actually finds this to be an important detail or do you think hes portraying it as one in attempt to obfuscate her story

Ответ для Partyglouberman

Dunno. It doesn't obfuscate her story. It enriches it by adding to Platner's criminal motive.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Do you think he raped her because of the text message?

Ответ для Kat Z

There are a universe of causes (#1 being that Platner rapes). The texts might be part of the lesser causes that led to that particular rape.

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

If you got a text that said “I want a glute massage,” would that turn you into a rapist?

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

What are your nuance opinions about rape?

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

Are you a teenager?

Ответ для EvilisAlwaysStupid

are you fucking brain dead

Ответ для Chris

Where did he say that? The entire exchange makes Platner look WORSE for not obeying her. A prosecutor would use it against him. No idea who Grim is or why people seem to already hate him, but it was relevant info and should've been in the reporting.

Ответ для Sniffit

The Politico article already says that she had told him not to come over. The ONLY addition here is the bit about massaging glutes. That on its own reads like Grim is trying to give reasons for Platner's crime, but Grim's history of downplaying violence against women makes it all the more clear.

Ответ для gimpel the fool 🇵🇸

If he really has a history of that in particular, then I'll relent. People were just saying "he defends Platner" but if there's examples of him doing that specifically it's not worth arguing about.

Ответ для Sniffit

I do stand by the entire exchange being relevant/damning tho. Just because some misogynist assholes would push the "she asked for it" nonsense doesn't mean it's ok to editorialize it out. I think it ultimately heightens the arguments against him. It was his job to accept when flirting stopped.

Ответ для Sniffit

But no it doesn’t. It’s completely unnecessary

Ответ для Sniffit

"No idea who Grim is" - yeah, that's why you don't understand that Grim sees this as a mitigating factor

Ответ для Believelander Says Trans Rights

I've addressed that. If you're just here to reiterate others' arguments and try to join or create a pigpile, I'm not interest.

Ответ для Sniffit
Ответ для Sniffit

He has a history of misogyny

Ответ для Chris

But she said something that might imply she wanted sex. That's unbreakable consent according to the most suspect men alive. No means no, it's not that fucking hard to understand.

Ответ для FUPA Troopa

I mean, it could have been just a massage. And it could have not been a request. And even if it was, "glute" isn't a sex term, it's a sports/medical term. How many "Grahams" alcohol per liter was he when he misread that?

Ответ для Birbra Strident (aka Vegestache)

That's what I ment with "might" yeah. If she tells you to stop you stop. You ain't ever owed or guaranteed sex.

Ответ для Chris

It took me multiple reads even to realize he was trying to defend Platner; I thought he was mad at Politico for not including the "told him not to do so" part, on the grounds that it makes Platner more black-and-white guilty.

Ответ для The Nerdy Lawyer

That's fair, especially if someone's not familiar with Grim. But when that context is added, and the fact that his complaint was the massage message being left out (evidenced by it being directly quoted, and the rest in summary), it's hard to continue thinking it's anything but a defense of Platner.

Ответ для Chris

Obviously keeping it somewhat vague was by design, so he can claim it wasn't rape apologia when he's called out for it, but that is 100% what it was.

Ответ для Chris

To be clear, not disagreeing with your interpretation. It was just so damaging to Platner that I couldn't read it as anything other than intentionally anti-Platner at first. On additional reads, okay, he IS on Platner's side and ALSO honestly believes that no means yes.

Ответ для The Nerdy Lawyer

For sure, didn't think you were--and my apologies if my response made it seem otherwise.

Ответ для Chris

Ryan Grim blushed about how Platner had been his bartender for many years at Tune Inn "You worked Friday, Saturday & Sunday nights at I was often there every Sunday night I was there every Sunday & some Friday & Saturdays" Grim as Platner broke out in a big smile paydayreport.com/platners-dan...

What the fuck this makes it sound even worse

🇨🇦 She made a funny comment and that was her requesting to be raped! Pull the other one. No means No

As it's been said many times, why would a would-be rapist bother to dress like a woman, when rapists are treated better than transwomen?

I am fairly concerned by the near certainty that Grim has done something horrific to some women in his life.

That dude can’t stand to be wrong. 😂

Time to start looking at the sexual history of whatever the fuck a Ryan Grim is. May be a few formers with stories to tell…

So Ryan thinks no means yes? Exactly what point does he think he is making?

Ответ для Joe is Me

Probably something like "she actually asked for it because of that 'massage' comment, and 'no' doesn't always mean 'no'"

Did they know what she was wearing as well?

Literally where does he say that in his post? This is about Politico and CNN. Grim has been staunchly against Plattner’s continuing to run.

Ответ для sujamma
Ответ для sujamma

I don’t watch BP explicitly bc of shite like this. The Republican dipshit on there is enough for me to never watch it. That’s enough for me to know Grim is an asswipe @dccassandra.bsky.social. They’ve only ever invited absolute dumbasses on BP.

Ответ для FactsOverFeelings

I thought you would be someone who would draw conclusions without sufficient information and I was correct. This is probably why you find people not taking you seriously in life.

Ответ для sujamma

I know exactly what type of he is based on ample evidence-like going on a shitty podcast to be surrounded by equally shitty ppl like Saagar & Krystal. I’m sorry but I like intelligent conversation. You’re a dumbass tho, so shallow convos are more your speed, I guess. GFY 🖕

Ответ для FactsOverFeelings

You’re too stupid for this conversation. Go back 2 debating your invisible friends. I’ll talk to real ppl.

Ответ для FactsOverFeelings

You’re pretty pressed about this. I’d take you more seriously if you were someone who had genuine ideas rather than getting your opinions from echo chambers on social media. See ya, loser

Ответ для sujamma

I know exactly what type of 🚮 he is based on AMPLE evidence-like going on a shitty podcast to be surrounded by equally shitty ppl like Saagar & Krystal. I’m sorry but I like intelligent conversation. You’re a dumbass tho, so shallow convos are more your speed, I guess. GFY 🖕

Why are men so stupid about consent? Even if you think that comment equaled consent, consent can be withdrawn AT ANY TIME.

Ответ для Bodily autonomy, still a thing

because these fuckers are all porn brained as fuck and think it works like their favorite video where once you start she'll suddenly switch to consenting.

Ответ для Wingofbenu

They aren't "stupid" or "porn-brained." They are knowingly supporting rape culture because they like raping.

Ответ для Julie - TrexPushups

this this this this ....

Ответ для Julie - TrexPushups

specifically claiming her mentioning wanting a glute massage was a sexual invitation and a valid excuse to rape her is the porn-brain bit as it's a common pornographic scenario they know rape-loving men will readily accept because of that exposure it's a tool they're exploiting, not the cause

Ответ для but the future refused to change

yeah that was kinda what I was saying, probably inelegantly. Thats the sort of scenario that only makes sense if you've seen too many "massage" porn videos.

Ответ для Bodily autonomy, still a thing

It won't fix rape culture alone but we can we at least teach consent at younger ages? One time a kid didn't stop chasing mine after she tried to lock herself in a room crying and his reasoning was 'she said she wanted to play.' Yeah, until she didn't.

Ответ для Bodily autonomy, still a thing

they aren't stupid abt consent, they prefer assault to consent

Ответ для Bodily autonomy, still a thing

They'd get real smart about it fast if a man ever comes on to them.

I guess they missed the “she told him not to” part.

What a fucking snake.

Fucking grim is right, they've barely even finished with the, "why didn't she go public sooner?" nonsense, and they're already hard at work answering their own question.

I have been watching this whole thing, disgusted but in a detached way I thought and somehow I’m crying now. What a constantly heartbreaking world

Ответ для Marta Costello

right there with you. hugs.

Oh. My. G-d. That's just hideous.

It's literally in the story: "That night in late 2021, she said she had exchanged text messages with him and told him not to come over, saying she wasn’t in the mood for company. Later that evening, she said she realized when she heard a sound on the stairs that he had let himself into her house..."

These are the same people that say a woman's short skirt is an invitation. It doesn't matter how clear we make the NO, rape apologists will find a way to defend the actions of rapists! Also, being unable to consent means NO.

This fucking guy... It's a new low every week

Ah, so even when a woman says no in writing, there's still doubts about her story... cool cool

That's a lot of words just to say he hates women.

Ryan Grim, rape apologist

This is gonna be cover for all the rape rationalizers out there, isn't it? It's funny, you can look at Platner ignoring the demands to step down as him raping Maine voters.

Everyone knows "I need my glute massaged" is code for "rape me".

Ryan Grim sounds like a would-be rapist.

Ответ для Grumpy Philosopher

"would-be"?

I don't care what she texted before "No," once she texted "No," everything after that was rape. She could have texted "I would really like to have sex with you right now," and if her next text was "Don't come over" anything after that is clearly rape.

Ответ для Jeff Fecke
Ответ для Jeff Fecke

not for nothing, but I text my friends all the time that I need a massage, or a pedicure*, or whatever, and it's a complaint about my current state of self care, not an invitation for them to come over and impose themselves on me. Literally texted this to my best friend this morning.

Ответ для Sam

Can you imagine if it was though? You just call a guy and tell him your bathrooms needs cleaning, the laundry needs to be folded and the floor needs to be washed. And he’d come over & do it for you?!

Ответ для JSant

Ah the fireplace grate was never cleaner

Ответ для Jeff Fecke

Exactly. She could have sent him an explicit text about having sex together and then changed her mind and said no. That would still be rape. Everything after no is rape, no matter what words came before.

Ответ для Jeff Fecke

Exactly. And I know women already know this but he could've been having consensual sex with her and in the middle of it she said "no" and if he didn't stop, that is rape.

The thing is, Politico could have added that detail to the story - that he came over after she said no - and it would have helped make him look EVEN WORSE! Yet he thinks it is a defense.

She is not responsible for being sexually assaulted. She is responsible for her sexually provocative statement. See, it's not that hard. If you deliberately misrepresent this, it is a quick block.

Ответ для Mara evans

It’s at best marginally sexually provocative, but the bigger point is that it’s irrelevant to the story, so not some journalistic scandal that it wasn’t in prior reporting, and to make it seem like it was is running cover.

Ответ для Jake

Oh, stop.

Ответ для Mara evans

She didn't say she wanted him to rub her butt, you tool She made a statement of fact. Massage therapy is a thing and it's not sexual. And she wasn't asking him to do it. You can eat my whole ass (this is not consent or sexual)

It's about ethics in rape journalism

Ответ для Elijah Woodn't

Honestly thought I'd already maxed out my disgust for this creep

They were dating. Maybe she was comfortable bantering with him but not being alone with him when he was blackout drunk. Which seems like an excellent boundary in retrospect.

Assuming a general complaint is a request specifically for HIM and ONLY HIM to fix it while ignoring direct statements to the contrary seems really illustrative, actually

Ryan Grim is telling us exactly who he is.

Even after 40 years of personally experiencing misogyny, it's still shocking sometimes just how blatantly men will do this shit and the majority of society just... normalizes it. " boys will be boys" 🙃

why is he always like this about sexual violence 🤢

Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

sadly pretty easy to guess the why on this stuff

Ответ для Tommy

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Elisabeth Van Every

It is extremely likely that all of THESE men and therefore all the men *they* know do in fact rape women, and hide it under euphemisms such as "bad sex" and "talking her into it" and "she owes it to me" and "frigid bitches."

Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

You know the answer. So do a bunch of women on a more personal level, I'd expect.

Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

perhaps someday we'll have an answer

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

It's such a mystery.

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

And it won’t be pretty

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

i sure hope it comes in the form of an indictment

Ответ для Marisa Kabas

Grim has spent a lot of time advocating on behalf of the jailed ex-Pakistani prime minister (and cricket champion) Imran Kahn www.bbc.com/news/world-a...

Imran Khan criticised for rape 'victim blaming'Pakistan's prime minister said women should cover up to avoid "temptation".www.bbc.com
Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

he's either a member of the allegations guild or he's doing their work for free

Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

Club member would be my guess

Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

His "Not involved in sexual violence" T-shirt raises a lot of inferences he feels are rebutted by his T-shirt.

Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

There really aren‘t a lot of plausible answers to choose from, are there?

Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

Well, not always. He was one of the biggest boosters of Tara Reade, so there's that.

Ответ для DuffSovietUnion

the only exception. and I think the way people like him boosted her only did more damage. it didn't feel like he genuinely believed or cared; he just saw a useful political tool

Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

Yeah it's funny because the only time I see most men talking about her is when they want to use it as a gotcha to excuse some other rapist.

Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

100%.

Ответ для Wagatwe Wanjuki

My guess? He's an asshole. 🤷

Ryan grim is a hack

As a matter of fact the "she responded by telling him not to" detail is pretty fucking important. The "context" doesn't change that one bit, thanks Ryan you useless shitbag.

David Caldwell

Astonishing. I heard about this and expected something that would muddy the waters (at least for people predisposed to defend Platner). This is nothing, or rather, less than nothing (given "she responded by telling him not to do so"), which *strengthens* the evidence against Platner.

there's no bottom

Um, it’s irrelevant. Good lord.

Ryan Grim has done it again

Men that think this type of thing somehow absolves Platner have done the same thing.

He should have his kids taken away (jokingly)

Ryan Grim is an irredeemable fuckin weirdo.

Once again I am forced to point out that “Drop Site” sounds like a mobile toilet company.

There is no one in my life who I could text, "I need my glute massaged" and reasonably expect them to come to my home and assault me.

@PoShitical

is he suggesting rape is a treatment for tight gluteal muscles?

Is Ryan implying he read that first text, thought it was an invitation, immediately got in his car, didn't check his phone, and then just, like, didn't hear any of the other hard nos?

Ответ для sam !

Got in his car “drunk”???

Ответ для LuckyTrashFox

Oh god, I didn't even think of that. He drove drunk. I know that's generally milder, but that alone is like... what the fuck. Drunk driving kills.

Ответ для Mx. Dizzy: Wrath on Wheels

Not just drunk, blackout drunk. Add it to the huge pile, I guess.

Ответ для Lava monster

Just a steaming, mountainous pile of red flags

Ответ для Mx. Dizzy: Wrath on Wheels

*She* thought of that. In her interview she mentions it explicitly as to why after the event she didn’t kick him out

Ответ для LuckyTrashFox
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Surprised? Hardly. This fuckwad is very lucky he's still alive and not in jail given the sum total of bad life choices he made over a period of decades.

Ответ для sam !

Sorry, this is just completely irrelevant and victim blaming. It would be as bad if she had texted 'ugh I really need to be railed'. I truly believe that all of us, even if you know you know better, myself included, need to take regular time to reacquaint ourselves with what consent actually is

So?

Hey @ryangrim.bsky.social just want you to know you’re a fucking piece of shit. Have a terrible day.

WTF is wrong with Ryan Grim, seriously!? I feel like I know the backstories on some of these other weirdos.

It would have been unethical and outright morally repugnant to put something like that in the story

If only everyone put this much effort into getting the Epstein files released..... GOP loves this kind of stuff.. digging up dirt so Dems shoot themselves in the foot but feel justified when the GOP ends up winning as a result.

Not sure how that "detail" is more important than the followup of "don't come over"?

Ответ для Miles Smith

"Gods I'm so hungry I could eat a horse. No, do not bring me a horse to eat." - Which part of that statement is actually important, Ryan?

In Ryan Grim's world, you can only retract consent if you do so before they leave their house

What the fuck happened to him, this is a normal opinion for him now

Ответ для a bloo

He has always been Russian tainted. So many "lefty" types are just ops. There are real people, but so many put up jobs