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"would otherwise receive immediate access to welfare and social housing" is BS. Correct: "after 5 years working in a care home, would be eligible to apply for welfare and social housing on the same basis as the rest of us." www.theguardian.com/commentisfre... Deliberately misleading/disingenous.

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Example 46128 of how house price inflation and utterly inadequate social housing has made everything worse.

It’s straight out of the Daily Mail playbook. Under a Labour Gov. Surreal.

I'm appalled. Mahmood/Labour immigration policy is straight from Reform's playbook. There's so much about Starmer's Labour that I don't recognise as the Labour party, I'll be lending my vote to somebody else. Starmer has abandoned me.

The "immediate access" to social housing is particularly bad misinformation - it's a scarce resource that many people would like but can't access. They're all too ready to believe that immigrants skip the queue. In reality of course they get access only to the housing register, like everyone else.

Ответ для Anna Clarke

Exactly. Might complain to the Guardian about this..

Ответ для Jonathan Portes

They’re on here.

Ответ для Jonathan Portes

You should. They ought to do more than quote someone without checking facts.

Ответ для Anna Clarke

That must have worked as that section of the article has been amended.

Ответ для Hilary Burkitt

thanks for spotting! Yes, it did.

Ответ для Jonathan Portes

I have just put in a complaint - I'm just a nobody, but perhaps a complaint from someone like you might have a bit more weight at the Guardian.

Ответ для JohnnyBoy Jones-Johnson

I have also

Ответ для Jonathan Portes

For others who may have interest in putting a complaint, Mahmood's article is in clear breach of the Guardian's Editorial Code, both on Accuracy and on Public Interest section 1iii (misleading the public).

Ответ для Anna Clarke

Prople seeking asylum only access the housing register after LTR granted which could be years after arrival

Ответ для Anna Clarke

Also dont forget LTR also provides for access to homelessness legislation for those with dependents or any other priority category

Ответ для Anna Clarke
B

Indeed. And unless you're a band A for bidding, you're effectively not going to get anything.

Ответ для Bernie Scroggins

The heart of the cost of living crisis is the failure to build social homes at the rate we used to

Ответ для Anna Clarke

She seems to be conflating refugees with migrants

Ответ для Dan Grey

And the Guardian are happy to publish it

“Contribute less”? This reflects an attitude not only towards these workers, but those to whom they deliver care- the old, sick, disabled.

Ответ для Rocky Pipit

An attitude they have shown since before they were elected.

Beggars belief…. I seriously can’t deal with this level of mendacity

Any time someone tries to justify something by talking about “hard working families” my hackles immediately go up.

Ответ для tobyontour

The only thing worse (currently) is 'hero voters'.

Ответ для tobyontour

It's blatantly fascist language.

You would think they would actually read the rules before they rewrite them

As someone with an american wife: Her visa has so far cost us about £7,000, it took years to get done, and she qualifies for absolutely nothing from the state whatsoever. Another £4,000 payment is due at the end of next year, and she still won't qualify for anything until she can apply for ILR.

Ответ для starring red as computer bronson

and even applying for ILR costs a lot of dosh too! Dunno how much it is now - but when I did it , it was still >£1000. The pathway is already limited only to the relatively well off :-( I wouldn't qualify these days of course - my training/role is generally far too low paid (ie journalism).

Ответ для fleurxwriter7

£3,029 per person now. End-to-end, this will have cost us about £15,000. The entire time being made to feel like you're committing a crime. Disgusting shit.

Ответ для starring red as computer bronson

yikes. I completely relate. I had to go into debt 10 years ago just to enter, which took two years to pay off. Which luckily I could do. And then you're still restricted, your life choices are restricted. Although supposedly they wanted me. People don't realise.

I wonder, would UK tax exiles who've spent their last years in Dubai be eligible for immediate access to welfare and housing after the gov has paid* for their flights back? *via an interest free loan

It's disgusting that a person's existence is being valued in the basis of how much money they earn or how worthwhile their job is deemed to be.

Ответ для Steve (unofficial)

We met some lovely people (Filipino I suspect) at my Mum-In-Law's care home who probably won't qualify. Disgusting policy.

Ответ для Julian

Yes, any one who has or has had a relative looked after in their final years of frailty and illness will know that this is an utterly repellent policy.

Ответ для Julian
J

Yes. In theory they can qualify after 15 years. But care workers only became eligible for a visa in March 2022. It's unclear whether visas can be renewed after July 2028 when transitional protections expire. The maximum work visa duration is 5 years, so there may not even be a route to 15 years.

If we have a shortage of labour/skills it shouldn't matter what the salary is. Each person filling in the gap should be treated equally

J

Those overseas workers that Mahmood labels as unskilled , are the ones that helped grow our consumer capitalist based economy . Finance might be Reeves ‘ jewel in the economy ‘ , but it’s the imported manual workers that have provided the labour needed for growth . Exploited ? Essential .

"We're the party of the working class" says Mahmood, adding, 'we value high earners more than care workers'. She and her party should be ashamed.

I'm always fascinated by the term "hard working tax payers". I'm retired but still paying tax. Does that make me an "indolent tax payer" in the manner of the "undeserving poor"?

Ответ для Alison Webster

I'm sure some highly skilled tax payers are bone idle.

Why would a Labour politician, of all people, lie about this? It tells us 1) she knows her policy won’t stand on its own merits and 2) she’s not doing it just to ‘fend off the far right’, but actually believes in it. It’s this, more than anything else, which is driving lifetime Labour voters away.

Ответ для Paul Russell

She's Glasman's favourite so you're right that she believes it. You can sense the leadership ambition.

Ответ для Paul Russell

A 'moral mission' she said.

Ответ для callymeg

Immoral mission, more like.

Ответ для Paul Russell

It's the smile that gets me! So pleased with herself.

What on earth are they doing.

I'm so angry that Labour has continued the same performative cruelty policy as the Tories on immigration. They deserve to lose every election they stand in. I have no sympathy for any of them.

So does she think such people don’t pay VAT when they go shopping? There are lots of UK people who don’t pay tax, and they live in Dubai (or Thailand, from where they bankroll Reform). But she never sees them as a problem

What’s the point of a Labour Party that comes up with this kind of thing

Ответ для Jonathan Hopkin

I think we’re all asking that.

So “low-skilled workers” don’t work hard or pay taxes?

@katyguest.bsky.social Obviously opinion pages not an excuse to publish falsehoods. If Portes is right, will you publish correction?

Also unhelpful language around contribution, with bizarre examples of doctors, nurses and 'high earners'. Is she suggesting care workers and other low-paid workers who we desperately rely on aren't high contributors? So reductive if it's all about income or what is narrowly defined as high-skilled.

Ответ для James Mittra

Absolutely my thoughts nor does this hard right approach help with strategic planning for skill shortages The NHS particularly are struggling as a result. Eg. Salford royal does not have enough staff to do basic work (like clear away bedpans) in its surgical wards.

Ответ для James Mittra

If nobody cleaned the hospital or took away the bins it soon wouldn't matter how good the doctors and nurses were

S

On and on she goes. “Let’s keep immigration and asylum on every front page, in everyone’s mind” is such a bizarre strategy. Most voters, not just those likely to vote Labour, have other issues beyond this quagmire competing for attention. Urgent, but much easier to think about - and even solvable.

I didn't think the Guardian or Mahmood could infuriate me any more than they already have,I was wrong. Guardian is addicted to clickbait in order to generate outrage & engagement & I don't what the fuck Mahmood thinks she is doing, other than undermine the Labour Party by being as vile as possible.

Ответ для David Thompson

Every time Mahmood opens her mouth & announces yet more anti-immigrant policies, another slew of Labour supporters leave in disgust. The Greens are currently the maim beneficiaries & not Reform as the increasingly deluded Labour Party seem to think.

Ответ для David Thompson

I think it's fair enough for Guardian to publish - as an op-ed- the HS's justification for her policies. But they still have to abide by their own Code of Practice not to publish inaccurate or misleading info

Ответ для Jonathan Portes

I think so too, but they are publishing misleading and inaccurate info as we have all noticed. Not for the first time. Their standards have been slipping for a while now, a bit like Labour's!

Also, that immigrants arriving on Tier 2 work visas have to pay NHS surcharges and visa fees for themselves and any dependents for 5yrs until eligible to apply for ILR. And they pay Tax and NI, but have no access to other benefits during the qualifying period.

As far as I understand, no-one has "immediate access to social housing"; the best case scenario is being added to a list that is almost certainly years long, which allocates housing in the basis of need.

I think the word you're looking for here is "lying"