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I think about this a lot and for me the *extremely* simplified answer to this is that some people approach art to think and some approach it to feel, and if you're mostly in the latter category there's a lot about the text that will go right by you (or you'll just ignore) as you bathe in the vibe

Keira Perkins

It is wild to me how many people will love a book, a show, a song - anything creative really - and fundamentally misunderstand the thing they adore. What I’m saying is that I would like to give Suzanne Collins a hug.

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See also: the number of weddings that feature The Police’s “Every Breath You Take” as a romantic first dance song

Ответ для Corrin

Also REM's "The One I Love".

And for me it is mostly the art itself that leads me to think and/or feel

Hmmm. This might explain why there are a bunch of weirdo right-wingers who completely missed the point of Star Trek. Probably only enjoyed TOS Kirk's cowboy ways.

Ответ для Birdpoof

Or all the people who completely missed that Starship Troopers is an unreliable narrator story. Both those who think Henlein was a fascist lover and those who think it's a textbook for conservatives.

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Got into a debate with some of those here less than a week ago. One of them, apparently reasonably intelligent, even ended up blocking me over it. Between preconceptions and careless reading, Starship Troopers (the novel) turns out to somewhat resemble a literary/political Rorschach test.

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Of course the movie made it worse. Despite the "based on" marketing, Verhoeven admitted to not having read the book - it was only well into the project that one of his writers proposed borrowing elements from the novel to fix some problems with the script. Verhoeven hadn't known the novel existed.

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Yup, and when he just heard about it from someone else, he refused to ever read it. One day we'll get the accurate adaption with the power armor and the subtext. It gets brought up by a studio every few years.

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Ответ для Kenneth Freeman

Verhoeven volunteered in an interview, that when he got around to reading the book (because his script writers were borrowing from it) he thought the novel was so bad, that he didn't even manage to get through the second chapter, before giving it up as a bad job.

Ответ для Birdpoof

Or the JJ Abrams "horny and doesn't like thinking" version of Kirk, anyway. The original one was pretty "woke".

Ответ для Dan Bongard

The “Shore Leave” episode where Kirk is specifically described as a an Academy nerd who was always carrying a huge stack of books.

Ответ для Dan Bongard

It made its debut September 8, 1966.

I disagree. I got a huge kick out of Finnegan's Wake. It's a laugh riot.

It reminds me of how many people took the wrong message from Dune.

I know this one! "The world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel." - Horace Walpole, 1769

I heard this years ago from a songwriter: ------ - What a song says - What the artist means - What the audience think the song means There is often a large gap between each of these things. ------ I think there's a lot of truth in that for all art.

Right. It's not simple. Just for starters: 1) Enjoy without understanding, 2) understand without enjoying, 3) enjoy more understanding more, 4) enjoy less understanding more, 5) understand differently from how somebody else understands regardless of how much you enjoy it.

I love art that makes me feel, but I wish we (the collective we) would have more curiosity about those feelings. I don’t know if it’s media literacy, or something else entirely, but sometimes the curtains are blue for a reason.

All art appreciation leads to interpretation. Once it leaves them, the artist no longer 'owns' it.

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or Born in the USA (this also assumes that it isn't intentionally being misused).

Ответ для Hap

Was going to say exactly the same: Springsteen is a great example of this, lots of people like the music but seem never to have really thought about the lyrics of some of his less well known songs, like, hmm, Born in the USA or The Ghost of Tom Joad.

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Boy, Ghost of Tom Joad seems hard to misunderstand but... If Rage Against the Machine is singing it (I like their cover version), maybe it's not as conservative as you (generic you) think?

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I get movie-like pictures in my head for some songs because of how/when I heard them first (Comfortably Numb/Run Like Hell) so I can see that what you feel when you hear music may not relate well to its actual language and meaning. I just don't assume the way I respond is general (with reason).

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I guess they like the killing/wanting to kill part and don't recognize who's doing it and why. I'm sure that will work out well for everyone.

Ответ для Hap

I suspect it’s the “*#%^ you I won’t do whatcha tell me” bit that they like but either way it’s not a good look.

Ответ для Rob Knell
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I think lots of people like that part - they just mean very different things when they think about it.

Ответ для Hap

Watching conservatives dance to YMCA or In the Navy is very ironic.

Ответ для Robert
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If they like dancing to it, they can have at it. It's only that they use Born in the USA as a validation of circumstances pretty much opposite to what the song says that I care.

Ответ для Hap

YMCA is about 1970's gay men using the YMCA dorms for hook ups. In the Navy is about the Navy being gay. People who openly repress LGBTQ+ people dance to their anthems.

The age you encounter something also affects how you view it. No matter how deeply I wanted to understand Dune when I first read it, a lot of it went over my head, because I was nine or ten. If I'd never reread it, I'd have a different view of it than I do today.

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I'm pretty deeply conversant with music theory but don't believe there's more than a couple of bands out there whose songwriting can compare to the Ramones (there's a T-shirt I see around sometimes with the legend Ramones Guitar School and diagrams for A, D, E, and F#m)

It explains most Steely Dan..

That's a very reasonable way to look at it. I know that as a creator I sometimes make something because it satisfies one of those two things, and I've learned to switch mindsets when doing a revision so that both itches can be scratched,

Please don't block me but honestly I can't think about it just one way. It's really hard to wrap my head around either/or Art Appreciation LOL; I am Autistic; I have an info. processing system that tends to slice it in half and then bounce back between the extremes. I do hear the message, however.🎭

Ответ для NeuroDivergent AuTist, Microbloggin'

I'm in both camps. An artist needs to accept that their work will be interpreted in different ways, many they never expected. With great art, that's almost inevitable. On the other hand, if I'd written "Born in the USA" or "Rock the Casbah" and they were used as war anthems, I'd be pretty pissed.

Ответ для knhaw

Rock the Casbah! thank you for this they made a '70s album I played in the 70s as a teen just learning how to grocery shop in SoCalifornia; it was perfect. Should have been as big as Born in the USA! Lost in the Supermarket. I believe an artist owns their work I also believe in free distribution🫶

Ответ для NeuroDivergent AuTist, Microbloggin'

free share free licensing on the Net was the best thing and then, I think we passed into a new Millennium and all that good stuff died? Artists always have had to find a way to subsidize themselves; I think we all understand that we need to subsidize ourselves because we need to continue to create.

Have you seen how little people pay attention to anything these fine days? There’s good reason road signs have 1) text 2) color 3) shape. Still not good enough. Points if you can explain a Bosch or Dali.

Since I started writing creatively a few years ago I've noticed a change in how I read as well. I've found myself slowing down my reading, making it much more intentional. Reflecting on it, I used to be a read to feel person. I still am, but I am more and more a read to think person now.

One of the best moments of a Springsteen concert I went to was when he played "41 Shots," and all the drunk Christie-like ass bros scowled and grunted at having to hear who The Boss really was. None of them were at the shows on his recent tour.

Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville comes to my mind immediately. Fans have obviously adores the boozy, party vibe for decades, but the lyrics are pretty dark.

I also think that this goes into how you process different types of media. When I listen to music I don’t really absorb the lyrics at all. There are too many elements happening at one time and I am very musically inclined so I parse other elements way later.

The one that still really gets me is Rage Against the Machine 😂

I immediately thought of Elon Musk and Ian M. Banks' SciFi novels.