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You might have already seen them in some places, but a mass of autonomous pavement delivery robots could be coming after ministers signalled they are likely to support a change in the law formally allowing their use, prompting worry from campaigners. www.theguardian.com/technology/2...

Ministers likely to support law change to allow delivery robots on England’s pathsExclusive: Safety campaigners concerned about plan for widespread deployment on already crowded pavementswww.theguardian.com
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Meanwhile this type of zebra crossing remains illegal in the UK. Astonishing what elected MPs will waste their time on

My mum isn't confident enough in the quality of the local pavement to use her mobility scooter. Make the big tech bros pay for the maintenance of pavements.

Ответ для naffco54corp
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Great idea.

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Also the roads!!. If pedestrians will be forced to step onto the roads more as a direct consequence of these little R2D2s obstructing the pavement then roads must be fully fixed too by their owners. Surely they could fix potholes on their way to delivery junk food with a bit of tinkering.

Ответ для Annie
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*deliver

Teenagers are going to hunt them for sport!

I first read it as “robots could be coming after ministers.” I wondered what ministers had done to piss off Bezos. I do not want hordes of autonomous robots, controlled by amoral billionaires, to be given free reign in our streets.

Ответ для sophiacollins

On the other hand, if the ministers are are enabling the robots, it would be unsurprising if the ungrateful clankers turned on them.

Ответ для Sarah Avery

Well, exactly. Once you start paying Danegeld, you can’t stop.

Why are governments in such a rush to put HUMANS out of jobs?! And why this sudden rush to dump hyperscale AI data centres on communities that DON’T WANT THEM?! The Co-Op stores are now self-service only unless you ASK for a human. The staff think their jobs are safe. 🤔 bsky.app/profile/pete...

Peter Walker

You might have already seen them in some places, but a mass of autonomous pavement delivery robots could be coming after ministers signalled they are likely to support a change in the law formally allowing their use, prompting worry from campaigners. www.theguardian.com/technology/2...

Not just the *15* year old in me! We need to say no to this nonsense

How do they press the button on a pelican crossing?

Ответ для Sean

When we had them in Cambridge I'm told that they would politely as a passing human to press the button for them. Sometimes an orderly queue of them would form waiting at the crossing.

then govts (central and local) need to make pavements wider, which means taking away space for cars (most likely parking). That is insanely difficult. I bear the scars of attempting that, there’s always a West Dulwich Action Group lurking in the wings.

I rescued several in Cambridge that had fallen half off pavements, or gone down potholes. They way a ton!

Ответ для Charlotte Houldcroft

Why?

Ответ для OnlyFranz

They have bricks inside?

Ответ для Paul Harland

No, why did you rescue them?

Ответ для OnlyFranz

I blame Wall-E.

Ответ для OnlyFranz

Because otherwise a cyclist could have hit the robot while trying to get between cars and kerb and the *cyclist* world have been injured...

Ответ для Charlotte Houldcroft

Similar issue with cluttered pavements making it harder for people with limited sight or mobility.

Ответ для Charlotte Houldcroft

*weigh. The abysmal state of Cambridge footpaths and cycle paths is as much as obstacle to the food robots as it is to other users. If they had to avoid an obstacle on a narrow bit of pavement, they would sometimes just... fall off the edge.

It is everyone's patriotic duty to turn these over any time they see them

Paths are for people, not another way for corporate rats to monetize. If one of the little bastards beeps at me like *I'm* in *its* way, it's getting thrown in a fucking pond.

As a pedestrian who already takes issue with cars parked on pavements i gotta say, this will not go well for the machine.

Interested to see how they will get past all the cars. No chance of them getting within 400m of ours.

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Hoping for an unintended but wholly obvious side-effect of yet more secession of public realm to corporate interests will be children inspired to turn this into a national STEM challenge on the streets!

These ministers. They’re still going to be ministers in 3 weeks time? Not really a view of the policy, but of the value of the present lot ‘signalling’ they are ‘likely’ to support something in the future

I'd be okay with this if it came with a commitment to a) widen inadequate pavements and b) keep cars off them

Good luck to them getting around the abandoned Lime and Forest bikes that are regularly left on our street.

Genuine question, but why can't the robots use roads instead of pavements? Is it because its "safer" for the robot to be on the pavement, ignoring the safety of pedestrians? Reminds me of jaywalking - a law brought by the US auto industry to criminalise pedestrians rather than the vehicle owner

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Ответ для Russell England

We will have a law in the future where its the pedestrian's responsibility to move out of the way of robots?

I'll not be using any company that uses this nonsense, both out of principle and because there's no way I'm accepting a delivery by something that couldn't possibly reach my door and knock on it to delivery my package. See how much money you save on employing people if you have no customers.

Living Streets says pavement robot, which are programmed only to use pavements, will make crowded footways even more congested, posing a particular problem for older people, those who are blind or partially sighted and those who use mobility aids.

Ответ для Peter Walker

They should be allowed on the road only. They are a menace on footways.

Ответ для Peter Walker

New “blame > claim” industry incoming. I for one will be “tripping up” over one for £20k thankyouverymuch.

Ответ для Peter Walker

Guide Dogs are used to mobility vehicles, where they can make eye contact with a human, so I do wonder how they react when they come across robots on the pavement.

Ответ для Peter Walker

It's going to be difficult to push back against those (and there seem to be quite few of them) who think these delivery robots are A Good Thing.

Ответ для Peter Walker

I've never seen one of these robots in use, but one thing intrigues me: are they not routinely turned onto their sides/back by teenagers, leaving them as helpless as an upended tortoise? I'm sure the 15-year-old me would have been very tempted.

Ответ для Peter Walker

They'll get trashed in an instant. If only by me...

Ответ для Peter Walker

The 68 yr old in me would be very tempted.

Ответ для Peter Walker

One of the best things about 'Platonic' was Seth Rogan's character always taking the time to kick a delivery robot or e-scooter.

Ответ для Peter Walker

They have loud alarms that go off if they are tampered with but unlike a car alarm public minded citizens can stop it by putting it back on its wheels. Not sure it would limit or encourage miscreants though.

Ответ для Mark Stamp

Ah, of course. In my experience people often ignore such alarms. In central London I quite often have to move Lime-type hire bikes to get to a bike stand to lock my bike up. They beep like bastards when you drag them away but no one even looks.

Ответ для Peter Walker

I have an Knog alarm on my cycle, I changed iPhones and realised I couldn’t turn it off rode from north london to Covent Garden with the siren on. Cleared pedestrians out of way but otherwise no one took any notice !

Ответ для Steve Knattress

One way to get home quickly.

Ответ для Peter Walker

The ones I've seen clips of actually ask for help rather than just a beep

Ответ для Mark Stamp

Really? Wow.

Ответ для Peter Walker

In the US they also ask you to push the pedestrian crossing button for them

Ответ для Mark Stamp

And people are stupid enough to do so!

Ответ для Peter Walker

Will it be illegal to touch them I wonder. Is it illegal to touch a normal parked delivery van if I’m walking past it for example. Or just illegal to “tamper” with it. What happens if 2 people are walking abreast on a normal pavement and one is coming the other way? Who moves into the road? Etc.

Ответ для John B

Without a change to the law, unless you damage it, I can't see what would be illegal. Eg if a van is parked in so close you need to move the mirror in to get past, that might annoy a driver but it's not an offence.

Ответ для Peter Walker

So I could pick one up and put it in the road if it was in my way & no other change of direction was possible I.e “Mexican standoff”. Or would it reverse to an appropriate place to allow for safe passing (like I have been doing in Devon for less skilled holiday drivers).

Ответ для John B

They move to a different spot if they are obstructed.

Ответ для Jez 🤍💛💙

Thank you.

Ответ для John B

They went past my house numerous times a day when I lived in MK. People genuinely liked them and went out of their way to help them if stuck.

Ответ для Jez 🤍💛💙

Depends how well obstructed they are 🤔

Ответ для John B

IMHO as a pedestrian, you're entitled to be on the pavement, so you could just stand in front of it and you would be breaking no law

Ответ для John B

Can’t believe they’ll last 10 minutes in a location near to students after 11pm…👀

Ответ для Peter Walker

Just imagine attaching explosives to them as they go by.

Ответ для Peter Walker

I don't get the practical use-case for these. Takeaways need to move faster than walking pace. Moped or ebike, on the road. Flying drones one day perhaps? Last half mile of Amazon delivery? Maybe, but now the van has to haul a fleet of these. Stairs, gated courtyards, etc. are all a Nope as well.

Ответ для Eccentrist Dad

Would seem like they would need a lot of local delivery hubs. Probably less annoying to residents than the prospect of lots of delivery scooters. But the footpaths around my area are a real mixed bag. There are good, level wide ones on main roads but the side streets are often really uneven.

Ответ для Juan Incognito

Realistically if these things go at 3-4mph, that's hubs every mile or so. At which point why not just pick it up yourself? I know people are lazy*, but that's a lot of engineering to avoid a ten minute walk. * Not an ableist point, these 'bots aren't accessibility friendly in any way.

Ответ для Eccentrist Dad

I think most people around my way would choose these things if the choice was framed simply as choose delivery riders or these things.

Ответ для Juan Incognito

Which probably isn't how it would end up - I think we'd end up with lots of delivery riders and the small boxes.

Ответ для Juan Incognito

For take-out? Feels like they'd add 20 minutes onto delivery times compared to riders. Am no fan of the gig economy model, but wouldn't a slightly larger (light-quad size), road-going autonomous vehicle, with say 15mph top speed, make more sense?

Ответ для Eccentrist Dad

Guess we could map current supermarket/dark kitchen hubs and then contrast this to how these devices are used elsewhere. Maybe they just get added onto supermarkets as the local last mile. I've noticed a lot more delivery riders delivering small parcels of groceries from local small supermarkets

Ответ для Eccentrist Dad

If you're putting in that many hubs, why not put in fewer and use delivery riders?

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So if they go on roads and bike lanes at bike lane speeds?

Ответ для ambrosen

I'm OK with them on roads, at least if/when AVs outperform human operated vehicles on urban safety. Which mght be next year, might be never AFAICT.

Ответ для Eccentrist Dad

I’ve seen them used for supermarket deliveries

Ответ для Dr Jo Kershaw

Ok, that kind of makes sense. For single people and couples anyway, I doubt they'd cope with this household 😁

Ответ для Eccentrist Dad

I'm not convinced that there are *many* use cases but that one does seem to work, at least from the store and the customer's perspective. They do get in the way, though.

Ответ для Peter Walker

I think this is exactly why they are not going to be sucessful. It will be like the OFO / Mobike bike hire disaster. Some enterprising scamps will find a way to misuse them / crack them open and steal their contents / direct them into the nearest canal.

Ответ для Peter Walker

They've had them in Milton Keynes for a long time. People like them. They say "thank you" if you help them if they get stuck. Very, very few cases of vandalism. They are extremely bottom heavy so difficult to turn over.

Ответ для Jez 🤍💛💙

I do not understand that attitude at all

Ответ для Rev Peter W Nimmo

There's some strange people about Always has been, always will be.

Ответ для Peter Walker

Think i saw a video of one ignoring a road closure for an accident. However good luck navigating the endless footpath closures for roadworks in UK

Ответ для Peter Walker

Turns out there is a whole sub-genre of US videos showing the robots careering down flights of stairs/being taken out by trucks/in one case driving straight through the glass of a bus shelter.

Ответ для Peter Walker

we have them in Milton Keynes not sure if they avoid the dodgy estates , but they always seem remarkably unmolested

Ответ для chriskimberley

Do you have quite wide pavements in Milton Keynes?

Ответ для Cosmoiselle

im so glad you asked in MK we have a network of 'redways' that crisscross the city they are shared use foot/cycle/scooter/robot paths that use underpasses for the busy roads making them v good for delivery robots, but the robots also use regular narrow pavements

Ответ для chriskimberley

Im full of fascinating facts about MK if you want more, especially our solstice alignment!

Ответ для chriskimberley

love this article www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/...

Story of cities #34: the struggle for the soul of Milton KeynesThe Long Read: Despite decades of mockery, the city’s modernist buildings and wide boulevards are now hailed as visionary. But as developers move in, could there be trouble in this urban paradise?www.theguardian.com
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Solstice alignment?! That's quite something! I will look forward to reading 🙏 [The only time I visited Milton Keynes was years ago, doing a promotional thing with toothbrushes if I remember rightly! The Boots, and the shopping centre, were very nice 👍]

Ответ для chriskimberley

That’s just Bigtrak.

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Weird

Ответ для Peter Walker

I'm long past my teenage years, but I would want to kick them over

Ответ для Peter Walker

I was at a conference and one of the exhibitors was demonstrating a delivery robot. For some reason it seemed to be attracted to me (a bit like dogs who seem to sense I’m uncomfortable with them) and it followed me around the room until I had to leave. Really creepy and surprisingly large!

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One of the Cambridge co-op branches trialled these a few years ago, so slow and small they can't have been economically viable They stopped for all pedestrians and bikes and needed someone to press the button at the pedestrian crossings at the Co-op crossroads in order to go most places. 1/2

Ответ для Eleanor Robson

I never saw or heard of any vandalism. In fact they had a sort of cutesy, deferential, bumbling demeanor that made people rather protective of them: www.reddit.com/r/cambridge/...

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Ответ для Peter Walker

They are protected by being made of osmium, or possibly neutron stars.

Ответ для Peter Walker

Have you lost your nerve? The 46 year old me will have no compunction about it.

Ответ для Peter Walker

I wonder if the commercialisation of the pavement is the final deciding factor in banning pavement parking. If one of these robots get struck by a car driver mounting the pavement, maybe the big firms will chase them for compensation.

Ответ для Peter Walker

Who's asking for this in the UK? Can't we keep our pavement human delivery people instead

Ответ для Peter Walker

we won't be having those here in Bath, we know what pavements are for @werahobhouse.org.uk @bathnes.bsky.social

Ответ для Peter Walker

How about the Guardian start doing journalism instead of shocked faced stenography? Get some experts on staff not scribblers coasting to retirement. We can choose how to run our country and not let Yankee crap invade our lives and embed itself in our supply chains just because. Frikken slaves. 🫤🙄

Ответ для Peter Walker

They've been known to get stuck on the curb cuts while trying to get back up to sidewalk level after crossing the street, thereby completely blocking disabled folks from getting out of traffic. I'm in favor of turtling the bots, every one of them.

Ответ для Grumpy

This could so easily become reality. Controlled by goodness knows who and goodness knows where.

Ответ для JoRichardsKent

I can see a lot of them just being flipped upside down and left in the near future.

I first read this as "a mass of autonomous pavement delivery robots could be coming after ministers", and thought that could be Good Thing? 😁

No thanks

Smash them into tiny little pieces.

No thanks. Ridiculous that we allow this unless they allow universal basic income!

"delivery robots could be coming after ministers" was in interesting choice of phrase... 🤔😂

Ответ для Nigel Moss 🌻

The lack of a comma in that sentence promised me a way more exciting plot than it ultimately delivered.

It will be a another layer of rubbish blocking access for people. But could the pavements be improved as a result? No dropped kerb? discontinued path? blocked by council roadworks sign? Wedged between a van parked on the pavement and someones front door? Trial is in Milton Keynes for a reason