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I like that as a Navy Officer, he was relieved of command for attacking Mexico during WWII.

Come visit the mothership in Clearwater. It will make you do more than shake your head.

OHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO NOT L RON HUBBARD THAT MAN WAS FREAKIN NUTZ AND THE PEOPLE IN THAT GROUP ARE NUTZ TOO

Yup, fits right in with another religion that was created by a pedophile, and one that was hi-jacked by a tax collector, as well the one created by a merchant. I'll let you guess which ones.

L.Ron Hubbard's personal (true) history alone should be enough to send you running from that BS!

It’s a pyramid scheme, cushy at the top

Wait until you read the Bible!!

I used to drive by their creepy blue “churchy” building all the time. Bad mojo

And Travolta, among others

That’s nothing! Trump created MAGA!

Religion was used to explain the inexplicable. Science came along to drag our asses out of the dark ages, many of us don't like sunlight.

Maybe ol' L.Ron is the train Trump thinks he can't release his taxes - he's being "audited"?😁😁

They do NOT like these! Ask me how I know. 🤭 Clearwater!

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Now do LDS. Then move to the major religions!

Well look at who voters put in the WH, so for me, not hard to believe.

I read about 80 pages of Battlefield Earth. That’s as far as I made it.

That book is mind blowing in a bad way

I’ll have to look for that. I’ve seen many documentaries and I can’t believe the sheep that have followed.

Well, people still vote Democrat, too

All religions were created by loony com men.

Scientology was enough for me to know he went over the edge.

It’s very believable. The whole point of it was Hubbard’s decision to create a religion “based on science fiction” to win a bar bet. He did that because he knew how gullible people often are. And having done it, he realized that it was a lot more profitable than writing. SOP for humanity..

And John Travolta.

But at least there's only like 40k of them. I always thought they were so much bigger than that. Until those kids started doing speed runs through their building(s). I like them loads more than Christians.

If I remember correctly he wrote a paper in college about starting his own religion as a scam.

Every religion is. Just my opinion.

They occupy some very important positions in the world. Scary AF cult.

Now do evangelism.

I think people, especially celebrities like Cruise, got into Scientology at the beginning of their careers to gain self confidence and like all MAFIA outfits, once you are in you can't get out without damage. Behavior is the same for victims of the Criminal Trump Family Syndicate.

At level 5,300 (or whatever is the highest level), you find out it's all been a money scam. Like a pyramid scheme.

He's a con but what a life!

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Bare-faced messiah : the true story of L. Ron HubbardIncludes indexarchive.org

The same could be said about the Mormons!

Yeah. L. Ron Hubbard was a piece.. Is the next read “The Art of the Deal” by our favorite president DJT ?

No different than the tRump cult. Actually, there are more tRump cult members.

Cults gonna cult. Same with the evilgelicals, LDS, Etc. Crazy town!

Now do Mormons aka the real leaders of the church of pedophilia.

Please understand that it's not only "feeble-minded" people who can get sucked into cults. That's a harmful & incorrect stereotype, & it can lead to people not seeking help if they get wrapped up in that situation. Easier to stay in it. Also be aware that a LOT of Scientologists were born into it.

L Ron had a big thick mustache?😁

Now do the big three Abrahamic cults.

Yeah, you should look up how they got the US to acknowledge them as a religion… Our country is so stupid. 

I read some of his sci fi when I was in my early teens and even then thought he was absolute rubbish. Couldn't believe it when I discovered he'd started a religion and actually had believers. That's when i realised a proportion of the population are gullible fools.

They tried to recruit me here in Detroit while I was a college student back in the 1970's. Strange interview.

And let's not forget Chick Corea.

I lived in Clearwater Florida, home of the scientologists. I can tell you horror stories of things I witnessed and being confronted by scientologist security who were brandishing knives. They didn't like being watched.

All religions are.

He started out as a sci fi writer. People never understood he was selling FICTION!

Something about that Hubbard’s fell pant-load of blathering madness really does attract actors 🤷‍♂️

You should try reading one of the many hundreds of versions of the Christian Bible. It’s no less fantastical than Hubbard’s musings.

L. Ron Hubbard holds the Guinness Record of most sci-fi books written (by a single author) so it tracks, lol.

Huh, another crazy loon that people follow.

Took me 3 weeks to get to that conclusion. And ran away quickly. (c69)

Amazing how so many people let others “lead them” …

Yes, it is looney tunes stuff!!

Can you imagine the debate stage if QAnon squared off against Scientology?

I believe Tom Cruise is second in command and benefits from Scientology by having slaves, etc. I do not understand how they gain new members now that it is widely known that they are a dangerous criminal cult.

Now do the GOP

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Welcome to the fresh news from 75 years ago.

Just wait until you discover that modern day Christianity is not based on Jesus but they actually worship Paul

Yes-it is garbage along with other cultist beliefs

maga actually act exactly like the followers of Scientology where if you do something they don’t agree with, they will stalk, threaten, try to get you fired, go through your trash - whatever they can to destroy your life. It’s all CULT. It’s all INSANITY.

Feeble minded is too harsh for many of them. Some are lost people, damaged people, abused people. Scientology sells them the scam that they have people who care and can help them. But yeah Tom Cruise is an evil prick.

Trump thought the same thing.

Someday, somehow, there will be a lot more revelations about the shit that guy was up to, especially out on his fucking boats. And people are gonna be straight horrified. The really gross part is that I read a LOT of that fucker's fiction, before I ever realized Scientology existed. It was fine.

If you haven't yet read Going Clear, that should be next on your list.

Cult members are totally clueless

I was hoping Tom Cruise's children would write a tell all biography about being forced into a cult, but he indoctrinated them and they are as ignorant as he is. Suri isn't in the cult and he has nothing to do with her.

Anyone who follows scientology is an idiot. Really. An idiot.

Crazy plum crazy

That sounds good. Thanks.

Hubbard and Trump have a lot of similarities. MAGA & Scientology are both extreme cults led by blatant snake oil conmen.

All religions are the product of lunatics, thieves, murderers, confidence men, liars, pervs and peepers, bad emperors, popes and Kings. L Ron just happened to come a few thousand years late. Fairy tales all.

...... anyone into Scientology is showing you an open window to their soul; run, run very fast, and do not look back......... you know what happened to Lot's wife.

If only it were true and a spaceship did arrive and take them all away.

Next recommended read: The Cult of Trump by Steven Hassan. The parallels are not surprising.

Thank you, just added to my Libby wish list (anyone wanting to do the same search: Bare-Faced Messiah) Death in the Jungle by Candace Fleming is a phenomenal read

People will hold onto anything with hope, even the absurd … why to you think Trump is there …

I used to be a Scientologist. But I ran out of money.

They still follow the orange menace

Donald Trump is your president, 2nd term, everything and anything is possible in ameriKKKa.

Every religion is a fairytale. Shall we compare them all and see which one is the craziest?

If you think that’s crazy, wait till you start reading the Bible

Fantastic book, thank you for reminding me about it

Unlike Christianity which was created... byy..... uh... yeah.

Seems to be a common theme in all cults

Cults are like this

Hubbard was a lying, cheating, thieving, greedy, power-hungry, narcissistic, con artist fraud. A far more intelligent, literate, non-rapist, far less evil version of Trump. This great documentary explains him and the sick Scientology cult.

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I don’t care if people follow Scientology. I care when people of any religion try to force their beliefs on me.

See also: Mormons and Joseph Smith. See also Jesus, but he was at least a political figure, a rebellion leader against a literally evil empire.

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It just goes to show that no matter your job title, status, or how big your paycheck, you can still be a huge idiot.

I read Dianetics in the 80s when I was still drinking booze. I called the 800 number drunk and told them how absurd I believe Scientology is. Fun call!!

At least you read about things. I'm glad. When I see people read it is a good feeling there is still hope. Did you know Air Force One has "decorative books," so, they are still a status symbol.

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I read his book and he was Heinous. It actually says a society that allows homosexuality doesn’t deserve to exist so as a gay man I was Out. But it explains why Tom Cruise is still closeted

Fresh out of high school in the 70’s (where I took a psychology class) I saw the Dianetics book in a used bookstore and bought it because it said something about psychology on the cover. I read it and threw it away thinking “what a load of garbage.”

Goes for all religions! Control and fear

But… what about the e-meter that detects your alien soul sadness readings? 😅

Name a religion that wasn't started by conmen/conman?

L. Don Hubbard.

I challenge Scientology against Spaghetti Monster debate!

Now do Christianity! Same lies different book.

Well, MAGA is something similar.

DUH!🙄

All religion, frankly.

Just like Mormonism.

Watch Leah Remini’s documentary Skin crawling but fascinating

Anybody ever find Shelley Miscavige?

I never went off any popularity when it came to faith. I discovered a profound life change finding God as Father through Jesus Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Same for the other religions, no? They’ve just been around long enough for people to get used to them. It’s all the same BS.

If you think that's crazy, wait until I tell you about this thing called the Catholic church

I don't think Tom Cruise is stupid. I suspect that there is something in Scientology for him and a lot of the other rich celebrities who follow it that isn't available to your average Scientologist on the street. I don't know what it is, whether it's just money or something even more sinister.

So did Heinlein win the bet or not? I always hear conflicting reports over that anecdote.

It was pretty obvious. He was a science fiction writer who said that starting a religion was the best way to get rich, and then started a religion whose mythology sounds like the plot of a bad science fiction novel.

Mission: Earth is not only the only book I've never finished, I was so frustrated with the rampant misogyny, sadism, txc masculinity, obvious Mary Sues, condescension towards mental health, and on and on, that it became the only book whose spine was destroyed by my throwing it at the wall repeatedly

A cult period!!

*but we all must still respect Islam, right? right?? RIGHT?!?!?!?!?

Watched "Going Clear" a few years back and, even just taking the dramatics for film out of it, they're all freaking nuts! I refuse to watch anything with Tom Cruise in it because he just gives me the ick. Anytime I find out a celebrity is a Scientologist, it immediately turns me off their work.

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Tax haven, pure and simple. That's the con. The crazy part covers the tax con.

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Another excellent read is "The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology Tried to Destroy Paulette Cooper" by Tony Ortega. How they tried to frame a journalist who wrote a book they didn't like, and tried to drive her to suicide.

MAGA is the same scam!

yeah, that book does not help lol

I lived in Clearwater Florida for two years and those people are creepy looking they all dress the same they stay on the same side of the street. They don’t walk amongst others and they’re freaky looking. They’re like walking zombies.

Been amazing for decades. I've been told by people that were sucked in, they will take all your money like any good church. Hubbard wrote sci fi FFS. While I'm on it, why did people make a Jewish guy into a new religion? Wasn't his religion good enough? Eh?

History on repeat. Like Joseph Smith and the Mormons.

I've been taking a deep dive into Heaven's Gate, trying to figure out how people could buy into that bizarre mix of theology and science fiction. Applewhite seemed to believe his own myth, vs. L. Ron, who was in on the con (and got rich from it).

He also stole Jack Parsons wife.

To be fair, many religions were founded by lunatics and conmen.

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People follow the Bible and think Israel is real. Everybody's crazy.

How is this different from the magats following a lunatic and a conman? I see no difference. Neither are good for the world.

Yeah, it’s crazy. I might have to read that.

I bet the Scientologist’s could sue Trump for stealing their entire playbook

Scientology isn't any worse or more bizarre than mainstream Christianity. It's all bullshit built to preserve and enhance men's power.

Yea that's what all religions are like.

In the mid-seventies an acquaintance paid for my first indoctrination course. I was 21 and I have to admit I did learn something. They begin by teaching you to maintain eye contact and to persist until someone answers you. I was out when they used those techniques to try to get $$$ from me.

Sounds like all religions to me.

Kind of like Trump supporters

All religions are grifts.

I cant watch Tom Cruise movies, it feels unethical. His weird UFO cult has him convinced that he is immortal and cannot die, therefore when he does those death-defying stunts for the camera, he doesnt have the mental capability to understand and process the real danger he's in.

This is how i feel about every religion.

The Famous Quote: A widely circulated anecdote claims Hubbard stated at a 1948 science fiction convention or meeting: "You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.

Good-o. On my shelves, mainly because of the title. Moving up the TBR list.

I don't watch anything Tom Cruise is in.

Not much different than MAGA.

John Travolta, Kirsti Alley, Priscilla Presley have to be incoherent #cult #religion

That kind of reminds me of someone else….anybody?

A lunatic and a conman. I think a third of the US population follows one of those. And the rest of the world gets dragged along as a result.

Insert any religion

How PISSED would you be if you paid all that money, did all that shitty time, only to be told alien ghosts in volcanoes?!!

Lots of others, too. Elisabeth Moss and Travolta are still members. Jhc.

It puts MAGA and Trump in perspective, except the Donald does not have even the dubious literary skills and imagination of L Ron.

I remember the tales that Isaac Asimov used to tell about L Ron Hubbard before his $cientology days. Like the time Isaac got a 3am phone call from LRH, who needed a quick place to crash & hide for a couple of weeks because LR's ex and her lawyer were in town looking to serve papers to him.

You could argue that the founders of every religion are just conmen.

I have a couple of L Ron Hubbard’s sci-fi novels. They are awful books - boring, not innovative. He was a conman who was aided by money-hungry conmen. Scientologists will someday realize their denial of family members is one of their worst offenses. They will mourn the relationships they killed.

Hilarious isn’t it. I tried to convince my wife to start a religion with me but she has more scruples than I and wouldn’t let me.

Ya , it's a flim flam bullshit , but it can be argued ALL Organized religion is Just a scam thought up to control People & get their $$ But is is a hell of a scam. Ingenious

What would you say if I told you about an anti-social cult, every bit as wacky as Scientology, that was becoming a thing around 65AD in Rome? 😉

Similar to the LDS, it’s an MLM scheme masquerading as a religion.

He wrote Battlefield Earth (years later made into a terrible Tom Cruise movie of course). The book was really good, well written. But Hubbard seriously went off the deep end, kept going with the nutty religious sci fi alien thing. I suspect he lost more fans than gained.

Any truth to the rumor that it was Ray Bradbury who jokingly suggested there was enough world-building in Battlefield: Earth to “make a religion out of”? Conclusion: Snotty performative-atheist sci-fi writers should, for the greater good, just shaduppa their mouths…

Never forget, there are those who believe the world is flat...

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Years ago, I read "Inside Scientology" by Janet Reitman. That was enough.

I have two words. Just two words. Flat. Earth.

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The same could be said for Mormons.

And a huge money-making machine

Zappa targeted Hubbard and the Scientologers (a term they hate). He renamed him L Ron Hoover who ran the Church of Appliantology with a side hustle in sex robots.

Mormonism: 19th Century Dumbfuckery with special underwears. Scientology: 20th Century Dumbfuckery with spaceships. MAGA: 21st Century Dumbfuckery with cheese.

He had a bet going with a SciFi author about building a religion. Heinlein wrote Stranger in a Strange Land. Hubbard invented Scientology. Few took up the Church of All Worlds but many embraced the concept of Grok. Then there’s Heinlein’s Fosterites from Job a Comedy of Justice. Who won🤷🏼‍♀️?

Why?

Loved the part where he spends hours hunting a log in the open ocean because he thought it was an enemy sub

Yes—Clearwater

Trump has dad be the same thing. So many parallels.

like all religions.

I've always assumed that Scientology had its beginnings is Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land, but looking at the dates, it's clearly the other way around.

Hubbard was an obscure but prolific pulp fiction writer. MAGA is Scientology for hillbillies.

Years ago I read Dianetics because a guy I was dating was into it. Ridiculous crap.

I was sales manager for the publisher's subsidiary here in South Africa when this book came out. Aside from the lawsuits brought against us here, we got death threats. By fax, no less.

L Ron was pop in 70s. Everyone was reading his bizarro books. Thor Hyerdahl was popular too. Both fanticists, but one started a religion/cult. If you look at scientology and now trumpism and Christian nationalism, Hubbard wrote the playbook for cult creation in the US. (Very condensed opinion)

Recruiters are unknowingly taught predatory manipulation and mind control techniques. I don't fault people for getting caught up. I do fault those like Cruise, Moss,Travolta, etc...for turning a blind ear and eye to the atrocities, lies, theft and abuses that a large percentage of members endure.

I used to replace batteries in E-meters, they knew it was a selling platform.

A lot of people in these replies need to take an anthropology course.

I have known some very smart people who follow his teachings.

The tragedy is the kids who are born into it.

I also think they use major blackmail to keep celebrities enslaved. They get ALL the celebrities' secrets during their audits and then lo and behold, members for life.

Same as Mormonism ….

These are the same sub species that vote for trump and republicans time and again. I honestly believe some of us are DE EVOLIVING but just enough to cause real harm to the world.

I've read it. I'm amazed how closely it paralells Willa Carther's Life of Mary Baker Eddy. Also note the "I'm right because I'm me" style is common not only with cult leaders, but also the current administration.

Tom Cruise gains power & services from the scientology church & followers. Does he really believe in it or just use it? I have no idea but his involvement in Scientology turns me off his work products & biz ventures. Gross. Glad his ex-wives escaped him. Hope he doesn’t screw up his kids.

Scientology rich elitists are served by poor abducted unpaid homeless people kept in flop houses and worked 12 to 16-hour days and or nights serving parties, cleaning wealthy houses, etc. I helped two people escape a Scientology work house next to my place. Twenty enslaved people in that flop house.

Who needed a book to know that? It’s very well-known in the SciFi community.

I follow Jenna Miscavige's YouTube channel. Watch it sometime. I knew Scientology was bad, but I wasn't prepared for just how bad it is.