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GPT-Ern Malley

Oh wow this is extremely Fucked

The Fig Economy

Kat’s post here is *literally* “hey dunking on Will gets a lot of RTs so if I do that and then put a fundraising link in the second post it’ll get me more money.” Like it’s that naked. Abuse of one guy as a direct vector of funding.

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Jack Obora

How many buzzwords can we cram into a donation pitch

Nefarious Means

The sad thing is that there are already established organizations on the ground better equipped to address real needs but these activists and "disrupters" keep claiming to reinvent the wheel while they line their pockets.

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Brian Gongol

Exactly right. As a country, we've tolerated or encouraged this cult of "disruptors" and "founders" and we're doing a crappy job of recognizing and encouraging the people who maintain vital existing institutions. It's less glamorous but generally way more important.

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Ranamar

But if I'm not "disrupting" something, that means I can't say I changed the rules (in ways that personally benefit me) and ignore regulations!

Lazear

Why the fuck is she still fundraising off this mutual aid in campaigns idea? Surely campaign finance lawyers have explained why that is just something you don't do to her, right?

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Rachel Hallie

Also she is trying to promote her campaign idea after losing It didn't work!!!

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Bama Montana 🦋

*This* is the part that makes the least sense to me.

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lithobolos

So she shouldn't feed people while continuing to build political capital?

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Bama Montana 🦋

I’m not saying that she shouldn’t feed people. I’m just wondering if she actually has useful advice for other campaigns.

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Rachel Hallie

Feeding people is good, it has been my primary focus in community engagement and service for years she, however, clearly had a campaign package she wanted to sell from day 1 and is still trying to do so despite showing no sign that she could make this work

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John Pontoon, dissident titwillow

Are you saying that the possibility that for her, feeding the hungry is a goal and not a political stratagem is genuinely difficult for you to grasp? “She didn’t get elected! Why is she sticking with this loser idea? OMG there isn’t even a primary for 20 months!”

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Rachel Hallie

It's literally a political stratagem, that's why she attached it to campaigning instead of just feeding people, something people do without campaigning all the time

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John Pontoon, dissident titwillow

So you’re saying it’s currently attached to a campaign? And also you’re criticizing her because that loser of an idea only got her the second-most primary votes, as a political neophyte, in a crowded field? What actually are your beliefs?

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Rachel Hallie

Do you even know what you are defending? The entire thing she is advertising is a brand to integrate mutual aid as a campaign strategy, that's exactly what she called it

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Aozora

If she wants to feed people she should post Food Bank info

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lithobolos

That's a false dichotomy. If the Democratic party spent half their wasted ad money on mutual aid I doubt people would think less of them. It makes sense to have align political work with action.

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lithobolos

Like seriously, the fact someone is trying something different makes them bad? Why are y'all defending the status quo? Is there evidence she under performed because she spent money on feeding people?

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Primordial Platypus

Pretty sure the bad part is the bit where she made an extremely bad faith comment and tried to use that to fundraise.

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Suanne Laqueur

You don’t want power, you just want to critique power.

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lithobolos

Everyone is critiquing her for using her limited power to feed people!

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Suanne Laqueur

That’s not what she’s being critiqued for. Good lord.

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lithobolos

Her claim is that her campaign did better than if she ran it traditionally and that she supported the community at the same time. You and everyone here is saying is attacking that and defending the status quo of running ads and hiring corporate friendly consultants.

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Aozora

That post is just self-aggrandizement. If she really wanted to feed people she’d be posting food bank info.

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lithobolos

So she should just run political adds every two years and do nothing? Weird seeing everyone showing their support for corporate dem style campaigns. Alienation and isolation is your only value. 🔕

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Aozora

People campaigning for office are not allowed to buy votes. There’s a reason for this. If you think real hard I’m sure it will come to you.

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ike, son of mike

If she's doing neither one of them well, why insist on doing both at the same time, still?

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Suanne Laqueur

Don’t break your ankle jumping to that wild conclusion.

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Lazear

"So you hate waffles" No we are pointing out that this idea is 1) verging on illegal due to campaign finance laws and 2) didnt work in the primary. There's a reason other campaigns haven't mixed mutual aid and campaigning and pointing out that out is not saying she "shouldn't feed people".

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lithobolos

That's completely not what you're doing. And don't pretend campaign finance laws are something you hold up as important. "She should follow campaign laws like AIPAC" GTFO. 🔕

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Adam J Schmidt

Campaign jail is real jail. It's important to comply with state and Federal laws when running a political campaign. 😬

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The Hotdog Pope

Also, she is a high profile individual who has already been a target by the administration. Her in particular doing something shady and getting caught wou extremely damaging for the causes she purports to support.

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The Hotdog Pope

"Broadview Six Defendent Under Federal Investigation for Campaign Finance Violations" would be a really bad thing to happen.

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hoopsmcgee

Dumb and angry is no way to go through life.

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how-are-u

This is child thought.

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Tom

If she wants to feed people she shouldn’t be doing so with a vestigial failed political campaign attached draining money away from feeding people. If she wants to run for office then she shouldn’t be doing so with a vestigial inefficient food bank attached draining money away from campaigning.

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autocthonous tradba'athist

is she?? i see a fundraising page and zip on the financials

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Liberal Elmo from Cumtown

Food banks can buy food at scale and they know how to get it to people. Mutual aid is never going to feed as many people for the same money as existing orgs that specialize in it. Her polling was also basically consistent throughout the primary, there isn't evidence that her campaign strategy helped

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Liberal Elmo from Cumtown

Also, tbqh, people who need mutual aid vote far less frequently than people who are contacted through typical campaign outreach, especially in a closed primary in a wealthier district. Maybe the strategy could work in a different place but that's where she chose to run lol

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ajlunce

Sure seems like people are being helped rather than the money getting squirreled away for years

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kirblar024

Because she doesn't have a real job and losing political campaigns makes you money.

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Max Dubler 🏳️‍🌈

Because she is a grifter.

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Alan Pennie

She's putting her fingers in her eats and humming loudly.

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Warren Terra

I wasn't a supporter of her campaign (though really people should have been more normal about her, on both sides) but it seems to me she's just continuing to very visibly raise money for mutual aid in the community? Could be a good thing for her brand, but could also be good for the community?

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Warren Terra

I mean, surely it would be worse if she *only* fundraised for community support organizations in election years? I have no idea if this is a good organization, I'm not saying people should give money. But it doesn't seem automatically bad?

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Warren Terra

As to the legality issue: I have very serious concerns about the mixing of handouts to the community with electioneering; it can smack of Tammany Hall. I don't know how careful they were about that, or even could be. But this seems to be outside of an electoral campaign? She's no longer running.

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Lazear

She literally ends her post talking about how the sole focus of this org is integrating mutual aid into campaigns and is doing so via a harassment campaign. Its gross for the harassment and borders on questionable legality with no clear sign she is actually handing the money out. Thats the issue.

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GPT-Ern Malley

I think off year fundraising is fine, the issue is fundraising off an insane harassment campaign

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Lazear

No she is very clearly saying she plans to try and force this dumb "mutual aid as a form of campaigning" idea. If she was just fundraising for a soup kitchen, fine. But doing so with a harassment campaign with an implicit goal of campaign finance violations is overstepping several lines.

Brett Fujioka

I had fun not voting for her in my district.

Zosmel𓅱

Dang posting a funding link after dunking on the chart dipshit, baller move, he should love people making money from his breakdowns its the capitalist system he loves in action! It'll make lines on a chart go up!

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Primordial Platypus

None of these words are in the Bible

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Jay

Go cry to Billy pencils you nitwit

Alexandre Adler

Amazing handbrake 180 turn from "How dare you ask if it is necessary for food relief to be fully government run" to "Help my mutual aid push!". You got to admire the game.

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Alan Pennie

Admiration was not my precise response.

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Sam Brunson

It does feel like we dodged a bullet when she didn't win the primary.

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Alan Pennie

The Left seems to be a good deal more resistant to fools and knaves than The Right. Which is nice.

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Alexandre Adler

I don't know, Biss (the guy who won) dated one of his undergrads as a professor, then stopped supporting her once he broke up with her. I know that was 20 years ago but as an academic that breach of trust disgusts me.

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Alan Pennie

Not great.

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spoolofwhool

This is mostly wrong. According to what was reported Biss, as a postdoctural instructor, when on a few dates with a former student after the course was over. He then realized it was a horrible idea and slowly cut off contact. I'm not sure where you're getting that he ended support for her.

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Alan Pennie

That's definitely less bad.

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Alexandre Adler

If you read the woman's side she says the whole thing demotivated her from going to grad school for math. I understand to him it's "realized it was a horrible idea and slowly cut off contact" but it is a real failure to do pastoral care! cooperativeoverlapping.substack.com/p/a-fuller-s...

A Fuller Statement About My Bluesky PostsLet me paint a picture of what it was like to be a woman math major at the University of Chicago circa 2004.cooperativeoverlapping.substack.com
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spoolofwhool

Thanks for this link, I hadn't heard this side of things or fuller details which definitely paint Biss in a much worse light.

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Alexandre Adler

No problem! It is essentially the same story you wrote, but centered on the experience of the party with less power in the relationship.

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Bedtime for Glonzo

I can’t get over him having multiple erroneous articles (like, main theorems are straight up false) in Annals of Math. Not as a strike against him - I just can’t stop thinking about how weird it is whenever he’s mentioned.

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Alexandre Adler

I’m not a mathematician, are errors in proofs that uncommon?

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Bedtime for Glonzo

Errors in proofs are super common. The main result of an article being false is pretty rare. Really, really unusual for one person to have multiple articles in top-five journals where the main result is false.

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Mike Typo

"I admire its purity"

mrsomerton

I SAW GOODY PROCTOR CONSORTING WITH THE DEVIL! -gasp! anyway, now that i've gotten everyone's attention, how would you like to work from home and own your own business with Amway?

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Ken MacLennan

no but could you introduce me to goody proctor

buddythebird

"Stop discussing the best way to help people in need! The solution is obviously to give your money directly to me!"

evo1963

I don’t agree with Will’s point. But at least he’s not a ‘grifter’.

The Fig Economy

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aegisiondure 🫍

these stupid social media games are toxic and damaging to the legitimacy of givebutter and common power for the sake of short term additional revenue, its annoying that they think this path is helpful when its so visibly and pointlessly divisive