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Seattle's light rail & streetcar lines carried 4.8 million riders in April—a 44% increase above March, after Link Line 2 was extended to connect Seattle & Bellevue across Lake Washington. Seattle's light rail & streetcar lines are now the most-ridden in the nation, above LA, Boston, or San Diego.

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I Take the 2 line to work now instead of having to drive and then pay out the nose for parking it’s been fantastic and efficient!

TRAINS

Desperately waiting for the full expansion to Tacoma so I can bid 1-5 to Seattle driving an unfond farewell

I have heard all the complaints about the system and its cost and I do not dispute a word. I get it. But my old, retired life would be way less interesting without public transit (I take buses too). Public transit is a good thing, even if it is not perfect.

Ответ для joelgrant

So let’s keep it clean. The Capital Hill stations are full of debris. Clean subway train stations, buses are the pride of the last 3 NYC, Washington DC mayors . Let’s do the same.

LA has no streetcars

So sad that Sound Transit is trying to sabotage light rail to Ballard and West Seattle

Ответ для Andrew Wilmington 🧦🏗️🏠

Agree with the sentiment, but if I'm not mistaken, West Seattle plans came out unscathed from the cuts and is proceeding on schedule, yes?

Ответ для sophie amity

I hope so but Ballard was supposed to be the branch with the highest ridership!!

Ответ для Andrew Wilmington 🧦🏗️🏠

Agreed -- just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed some bad news about WS! 😭

Ответ для sophie amity
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Avalon station is gone, the rest remains on course

Ответ для Andrew Wilmington 🧦🏗️🏠

It's not so much that they are trying to sabotage it as that there is a $30B budget hole and at the moment, almost no hope of federal assistance to help with the shortfall.

Ответ для Alex Merz 🇺🇸🇨🇦🇺🇦

why is it gonna be that expensive? the sepulveda subway isn't even that expensive and that's gonna be a deep bore under the mountains in earthquake country

Ответ для Nerd #7132

The point is that Sound Transit is already facing a huge deficit. I want a Ballard extension, too!

Ответ для Nerd #7132

A big reason projects cost a lot here is the terrible soil. Thanks to massive glaciers last receding 15,000 years ago. Glacial til tends to be soft and cobbly - more like playdoh. It’s not very structurally sound and requires specialized techniques.

Ответ для Andrew Wilmington 🧦🏗️🏠

Having a completely unqualified NIMBY as chair of Sound Transit is a huge drag.

Just go ahead and superimpose a chart of PNW gas prices.

We need a high speed train in this country.

Ответ для karatewmntkd

Yes, but that is not a panacea. Only certain corridors would excel - think Portland-Seattle-Vancouver or SF-LA or Texas triangle. Also need people used to taking transit. I argue a great train is nerfed by bad buses not connecting people to/from stations

Built in Sacramento, btw! 💪

BOSTON MENTIONED WOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

The system is so good people are driving their cars on it! But seriously, this is awesome! www.king5.com/article/news...

Car drives onto elevated light rail tracks in SeattleImages of the scene show a red SUV on the elevated light rail tracks of the Mount Baker Station. Light rail service has resumed.www.king5.com

They aimed the 2-line directly from Marymoor to the Mariners games. I'm good.

Have bus trips fallen in concert or is there net growth?

Ответ для Sandy Johnston

Overall, looks like the Seattle region's transit ridership increased by 12% from March to April, so clearly net growth.

Ответ для Yonah Freemark

You love to see it!

Ответ для Yonah Freemark

$6 gas assistance

Ответ для Jamesinclair

Definitely a factor, but the fact that it could provide the capacity is a positive sign as well.

Ответ для Jamesinclair

I suspect a bigger factor is traffic delays due to construction — and also, pent-up demand that has been building for decades.

Ответ для Yonah Freemark
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This is consistent with experiences in Europe that show streetcars to be inherently attracting more riders than public buses.

Ответ для Yonah Freemark

12% in a month is insane numbers

Ответ для Sandy Johnston

The Link really only runs N/S (though the Two Line runs east to the suburbs). To get anywhere E/W in the city you gotta bus or walk.

Ответ для Sandy Johnston
Ответ для rohan aras

I can update this in the morning to get a sense of what's happened with East Link

It'll keep increasing when they can get more parts of Seattle connected-up; West Seattle is patiently waiting for our link!

Ответ для Eric Peacock

Ballard got fucked over. I’m not patient.

Ответ для Kevin G

I heard katie wilson on @lobbingscorchers.com pod yesterday say that it's her goal to "get to market street." Yall have been done dirty, but hopefully not forever I live in Tacoma and i can't wait until it reaches here, only another 4 years 😭😭😭

Ответ для DenimGlasses

Better, than Everett who will get light rail in 2043 after paying taxes on this for 45 years. Seattle Times has a good reporting pro/con on expenses, lack of paid riders, Wilson’s regressive sales taxation to expand.

Ответ для Kevin G
Ответ для Kevin G

I sympathize; West Seattle is pushed-out to 2037 now — all I can do is be patient. Meanwhile, the more the better for overall traffic.

Good.

The green line in Boston sounds like a Nazgûl. Might affect ridership a little.

Is this on a website (other than Bluesky) that I could link in one of my courses? The way the time series changes so dramatically at different points is so clean, while at the same time having such tidy seasonality in some stretches (Just as an additional "check this out" link, not an assignment)

Ответ для Erin Hoffman

To clarify by "this" I mean your graph, not the underlying data. The underlying data seems google-able

Ответ для Erin Hoffman

Check out the national transit database!

And gas was above $6.00.

Yesterday, after a lovely visit in Seattle, I took the light rail from Shoreline to SeaTac for my trip back to the east coast. Clean, efficient and only a $3 fare.

Ответ для deedledee3

Should really try to figure out how to get that line to Ballard

Ответ для chaseacross☂️🇯🇴🇺🇦

Why? The system is incredibly well built and largely very well placed. The stations are big and vibrant, security is visible, and largely very clean. More importantly is a good bus network getting people to/from Link and great TOD around stations (most anyways). Taking a train is also fun!

LA needs to step it up.

Ответ для Hodling

They used to have largest and best street car network! But 50+ years of sprawl make it hard to serve most people. LA needs to focus more on density and TOD to encourage usage of their system. It’s objectively not bad but is underutilized

This is excellent! However, I suspect that we remain *far behind* any number of US cities in the slept-on category of "light rail systems also utilized by cars." Lotta catching up to do there, I fear.

Ответ для thomaslthomson3

Why limit ourselves to US cities? Toronto is pretty goated at this.

About 25 cars have driven down Queens Quay tunnel tracks since 2014, TTC says | CBC NewsYet another car drove down the tracks of the Queens Quay streetcar tunnel early Sunday morning, which the TTC says was about the 25th incident it has seen since 2014.www.cbc.ca
Ответ для Neal Finne

I unironically love that for them!

Ответ для ClimateAngelSOS ✡️🇺🇸☮️🌎🐝🌻🦋🇺🇦

From what I read (admittedly a couple years back now) the plan is to absolutely go all the way to Lynnwood

Ответ для Raven Amos (Summerish Edition)🎨🐦‍⬛

Good news, it's already there! And lots of people are using it

Ответ для ClimateAngelSOS ✡️🇺🇸☮️🌎🐝🌻🦋🇺🇦
Ответ для ClimateAngelSOS ✡️🇺🇸☮️🌎🐝🌻🦋🇺🇦
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Line 2 also goes to Lynnwood, but starting from Redmond.

Ответ для ClimateAngelSOS ✡️🇺🇸☮️🌎🐝🌻🦋🇺🇦

Light rail to Lynnwood, Sounder train to Everett. It’s a transportation renaissance in the Puget Sound area!

Ответ для ClimateAngelSOS ✡️🇺🇸☮️🌎🐝🌻🦋🇺🇦

Bellingham is 85 miles away?

@lynrundell.bsky.social

I want to know the comparison with urban metros like the New York Subway and the Chicago El.

How do we rank against heavy rail systems?

Ответ для Nick

Seattle #Link is #8 when combining heavy and light rail, as several cities have both. Rank order of those over 100,000/day: New York, DC, Boston, Chicago, San Francisco, Philly, Los Angeles, Seattle, Atlanta, and San Diego. (Per FTA April 2026, not including Commuter Rail)

Ответ для Chad Newton

We totally blew it with forward thrust but I guess we beat Atlanta in the end huh

Ответ для Nick

Actually, I think not building FT set us up for greater success in the future. FT would have facilitated sprawl and the first FT vote included massive freeway expansion. not to mention how bad an idea skipping the RV was

Ответ для Harper

RV is Rainier Valley?

Ответ для Nick

We best MARTA in Atlanta. Despite existing for 40 years the system is largely under-utilized. I believe this is two-fold: lack of good bus system and next to no TOD. Percentage of people using transit in region is low and lack of things around stations also deflates reason to use it

Hope they complete the Tacoma extension.

@josephpolitano.bsky.social !!

I love this. I ride the light rail almost everyday and it’s awesome

Can't wait to see this graph at the end of the summer

Wait, Seattle has more riders and rider-miles than NYC & SF?

Ответ для dev0lution

NYC, DC, Chicago, and SF are primarily heavy rail systems as opposed to light rail

Ответ для dimsumnoodles

DC is primarily "heavy rail"? Seattle system has more riders than the Metro System?

Ответ для dev0lution

No, the claim in the original post is that Seattle has the highest-ridership light rail system in the nation. There are a few heavy rail systems in the US with higher ridership than Seattle’s light rail system, in places like NYC, Chicago, Boston, and DC.

Ответ для Neal Finne

Yeah the OP claims beating Boston but I bet it's only in comparison to the MBTA's Green Line and not the entire system that includes the Orange, Red & Blue lines.

Ответ для HouserDave

Yeah, that’s the traditional distinction as I understand it. Not sure how useful the distinction really is, but that’s a separate question. I believe the SEPTA Metro (in Philadelphia) is also split between light rail and heavy rail, with higher combined ridership than Seattle’s Link.

Ответ для Neal Finne

Yeah I don't find it a useful distinction for a system like Boston. Or Philly. Feels like a semantic way to make Seattle's system ridership bigger than it is. Which is still great!

Ответ для HouserDave

This really is the conventional way to do the comparison though, for better or worse. It’s not like Sound Transit came up with the distinction to game the stats. (IMO, Link really sits somewhere between a typical “light rail” system and a typical “heavy rail” system, so it’s awkward to categorize.)

Ответ для Neal Finne

I think this is why God gave us brains to adjust this kind of shit this as reality never answers to a strict binary set of categories.

Ответ для HouserDave

Whoa there, thinking for ourselves? Sounds communist if you ask me.

Ответ для dimsumnoodles

Thanks! I didn't realize the light-rail difference / distinction. I'm glad the system continues to grow, but it hasn't really increased its utility for me. I can use it to go downtown into the office Mariners & Sounders games... which is good but... but nothing like big cites or Europe.

Ответ для dev0lution

Hopefully over the years, it slowly transforms the area around the tracks, so there is more of a pedestrian, friendly area immediately outside the stations with shopping and food. Little community hubs.

Ответ для D4rkh4wk

This is the goal! TOD - transit oriented development - is being pushed at the state level. Downtown Redmond and stations like Roosevelt and Othello highlight this. Spring District and Wilburton stations on 2 line have ambitious plans to supercharge growth. Transit w/o TOD - see Atlanta - is bad

Possibly per system mile? LA Metro Rail was 68 million annual in 2025. If April represents a peak, exceeding LA wouldn’t be possible.

Ответ для Foxer

LA distinctly has Heavy Rail and Light Rail. Apples to apples Link has more riders than the specific lines in LA that are also LR. HR in LA is not included in these charts.

Ответ для jagthegr

I always thought all of MTA’s rail was heavy.

Ответ для Foxer

Only the B and D lines are HR. A,C,E,K lines are LR.

Ответ для Foxer

The D line recently expanded but that is not counted as it is HR.

Ответ для jagthegr

I feel like an apples to apples metric would be ridership per-system-mile of both HR and LT combined. The only reason HR is used in LA is distances and connections along old SP networks.

Ответ для Foxer

Sure, but you could just extend that to include buses as well. Shockingly I recall Seattle region being top 10 nationally, if not top 5 in terms of transit use per capita. We are ahead of Chicago

Ответ для jagthegr

Seattle is seventh nationally- behind Philadelphia and ahead of Chicago with 39.09 trips per year per capita.

Keep the ballard line plans!

Can you imagine if it connected to Ballard? One can only dream.

So, a good year for Seattle. NBA, this off-day in this year's Finals might be a good time to announce that the Sonics are being re-established.

Ответ для Michael Pacholek

Seattle’s 2020 population: 737,015 Seattle’s 2025 population: 784,777 Tell me more about how nobody wants to live in blue cities and would rather live in Dallas and Miami.

Ответ для Lord of Sportsball

Dallas population is not growing. DFWs is.

Ответ для patrick.kennedy

All those “Real American Patriot” scumbags who hate cities.

Ответ для Lord of Sportsball

whole lotta J6ers in the Plano Mckinney Frisco Lewisville area.

Ответ для patrick.kennedy

Where H.L. Hunt set the standard for right-wing fanaticism.

Ответ для Michael Pacholek

A MAGA pioneer.

Ответ для Lord of Sportsball

people leave blue cities because the rent is too high people leave red exurbs and rural towns because they're being persecuted by Christians or there's no jobs

Ответ для Nerd #7132

So why not flock to blue suburbs?

Ответ для Lord of Sportsball

they're expensive too, and the urban planning is worse. the outermost fringes of suburban sprawl does get people moving in but commutes get insane. like "drive 100 miles to work and 100 back" insane

Ответ для Nerd #7132

This is why we need to prioritize affordable housing.

Ответ для Lord of Sportsball

SeattleTimes points out a hidden fact.We have a large surplus of apartments in the city, most can be subsidized. We don’t need to add regressive sales taxes for the mayors’ single minded project+her private union.Time for social service,mental health,childcare services, neighborhood safety+ buses.

Ответ для Hmmmbuzz

Do you mean the transit tax increase? I would love to have way more bus coverage and frequency. It’s either sales tax or car tabs to pay for it without changes at the state legislature.

Ответ для paretofrontwyrm

More buses at Graham rather than an expensive,not immediately necessary train station which the mayor wants to pay with a regressive sales tax. Graham is 2-3 blocks from Othello station. Taxes better for much needed social,mental health svcs,protection for schools neighbors from drive by violence.

Ответ для Hmmmbuzz

Seattle Times says as much as 71,000 riders who were required to pay s fee in a short period did not. The Times said that we lost se as much as $71 Million by not enforcing tickets/ fees. We would not need a sales tax increase if we enforced light rail in the same way buses expect payment.

Ответ для Nerd #7132

I can vouch for this. The nearest city to me, New Brunswick, is right on the Northeast Corridor. From there, I can get to NYC or Philly on the train. But to get there, it requires a(n officially) once-an-hour bus that's always late.

Ответ для Lord of Sportsball

There are blue suburbs?

Ответ для Jim Mayfield

On the coasts, at least

Ответ для Nerd #7132

Bloomfie?!

Ответ для Lord of Sportsball

I should do a post on which major league cities/metro areas are growing, and which are shrinking.

What we could have had @metrotransitmn.bsky.social

Networks really do matter