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The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact will guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. The Compact has been enacted by 18 states and DC, which together possess 222 of the 270 electoral votes needed to activate it

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Ответ для Jennifer Shin - WTAF

This compact is a great start to remove the electoral college, but I hate to think that it would likely get struck down by our heavily right wing SCOTUS

Ответ для Lisa Sebato

Possible but there is that pesky constitution that actually supports the pact. Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 2.

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

the concession to slave owners is always present

Ответ для Kathy Byrne

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Ответ для KD🪐🦁🇻🇪

Apparently, neither of the two parties has candidates who talk about rewriting this part of the Constitution, am I right?

Ответ для lfvasques

We dont need to change the constitution for the National Popular Vote Pact. It has the perfect mechanism and I highly suggest everyone use it and advocate for it.

Ответ для lfvasques

actually the crafters thought it would go through revisions to adapt to the times that there would be future constitutional congresses, never happened & it’s been 3+ decades since an amendment has been ratified (27th protecting congressional salaries) or one presented for state ratification(ERA)

Ответ для Kathy Byrne

Sacralization of holy texts. You can't nudge a comma. Part of the National Myth. Even if it fucks up the principles it was based on in the first place.

Ответ для Kathy Byrne

The US Senate is a body founded on racism. It should be abolished and replaced. Noble institution my ass.

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 2 supports the selection of Electors for the Electoral College, not the pact.

Ответ для simplyeasyny

Read it again. You are not reading it. How are those electors selected?

Ответ для simplyeasyny

It also gives rights to the states to decide how those electors are selected. If the states- via their own laws that were voted on by the people of that state- decides to give its electors to the popular vote winner, they are allowed to.

Ответ для Rickypedia 🐀

Exactly the point i was going for! I can lead a horse to water, but i wont make them drink. Its a shame so many people dont have this kind of reading comprehension. This idea really would embrace the 1 person 1 vote. Especially since the president could be elected by only 15% of the population

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

Just ... No.

Ответ для Seeking Hope

Which part?

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

The part where 1 person, one vote equates to 15% electing a president.

Ответ для Seeking Hope

No. I mean under the current system. The president under the current system can be put in office by 15% of the population. 1 person 1 vote would require a 50%+1 majority.

Ответ для Seeking Hope

Due to how the current electoral college works by giving an entire state's votes to whoever wons that state and the difference in EC votes by state size, it is actually possible for someone to win the election with as little as 15% of the votes if those 15% are in the right places.

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

They won't care. They've ignored everything they want to. Expand the Court.

Ответ для terg

I agree. Thats why it is important to frame it is a partisan thing. Dont mention race at all. Thats exactly how they stripped the Voting Rights Act. The more partisan we make it, the better case it becomes.

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

You can't depend on a corrupt court. They'll take out anything they don't like. They may even give corporations human rights, oh wait? 1/3 of the government is corrupt and has lifelong terms. That doesn't work in a democracy.

Ответ для terg

You also cant make a case against a corrupt court without presenting them with an argument that works on the court and getting struck down. While is the worst court in history, they have left certain doors open. Stop being stupid and learn about the doors they leave open. I gave you 1 HUGE example

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

You call me stupid? How rude. You can't outwit cheaters who have all the power. You have to change the game.

Ответ для terg

I dont have any tolerance for people who refuse to educate themselves. Use the courts own words against them. So yes. Unless you do that, you are stupid. They said we can do this as long as it isnt racial. Start there. Do NOT stoop to their level. We are better than them

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

So you have no concept of barriers to education, or privilege generally, and are not an educator. Your life choices have been to receive payment from the state to kill people or lock them up. Cool 😎. Obviously someone with values we should all adhere to...

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

You can never depend on a corrupt court. But how do you fix affirmative action with a racist court. How do you give our gov scientists power in determinations? Women's healthcare, corporations back on the non human list, fed gov right to pass universal healthcare. It can't happen without expanding.

Ответ для terg

By doing exactly what they said to show that they are actually fully lost. Thats how. They said "Dont say race". Then pass it for partisan purposes. Despite how horrible they are, they actually have ruled against Trump quite a bit. Same with lower courts. There is a chance and we should use it

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

You have to take away their power to do that. They violate the constitution and it's really meaning over and over. You can't outgame them when they cheat.

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

This SCOTUS has let the Constitution get in its way. They've made up their own laws that contradict the Constitution. The Constitution says the felon wasn't eligible for election and is not above the law. The POTUS doesn't have immunity for personal actions. But this SCOTUS is criminal, too.

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This is why you use SCOTUS own words against them. They allow twisted elections as long as you dont say race. Use that against them. Show how corrupt they really are Are they bad now? Yes, but they actually do rule against Trump quite a bit, even if they take forever to do so.

Ответ для The Salty Sgt

Can you just…okay?

Ответ для Lisa Sebato

Expand the court to 13 and impeach the right-wing perjurers sitting on the profoundly corrupt high court.

Ответ для Lisa Sebato

McPherson v. Blacker "the appointment and mode of appointment of electors belong exclusively to the states under the constitution of the United States." the current scotus would review the issue but any finding that states no longer control their elections would have much wider consequences.

Ответ для Lisa Sebato

I refuse to hate to think.

Ответ для Lisa Sebato

SCOTUS has no jurisdiction here. States are entirely empowered to allocate their electoral votes in any way they choose. Most states have a policy that all electoral votes go to the winner of the general election in that state. A few split electoral votes according to popular vote.

Ответ для Lisa Sebato

Expand the court in 29. It's the only way to start changing it.

Ответ для terg

Better hope Trump doesn't plan to expand the Court before '28. One more BIG reason we ALL need to UNITE '26 & #VoteDem🗳️

Ответ для Keeper of the Flame

We can lower it and expand it back. Next would be to put in term limits which would give every president an equal number of picks. You can't accomplish anything with a corrupt court. They won't follow the 14th and 15th Amen. They won't follow established law and they make it up as they go along.

Ответ для terg

This is a coup. Too many refused to prevent it by voting DEM majorities since '16 into House & Senate. So GOP SCOTUS has the majority & is making decisions to please their team. The Constitution gives SCOTUS the right to interpret our laws. "We can lower it & expand it back" No. We can't lower it.

Ответ для Keeper of the Flame

Look it up. Congress can do anything they want to the size of the court. They have changed the number before. It takes a simple majority. SCOTUS doesn't have the right to violate the Constitution. That should get them impeached. We don't have time.

Ответ для terg

If we don't make changes to law in 2 years. We'll end up with another authoritarian. SCOTUS will find a reason to undo anything we pass. We must have rule of law judges in the majority. We need voting rights, an end to CU. Environmental law redone, women's healthcare fixed.

Ответ для terg

Congress cannot DECREASE the number of Justices.

Ответ для Keeper of the Flame

Where are you getting your info? SCOTUS has been 6, 9, 7. There is nothing in the constitution about how many judges to appoint. The number has been increased and decreased before. You really need to check your facts before arguing anything.

Ответ для Keeper of the Flame

We lost the congressional majority in 22. Before that we could have done more to bring SCOTUS into check just by giving power to the commission Biden set up but ignored.

Ответ для Lisa Sebato

Actually they've already reviewed and reaffirmed the State's rights to dictate how they run elections. Which means they'll probably not interfere if it passes.

Ответ для Lisa Sebato

Remove scotus

Ответ для Lisa Sebato
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Mmmm, a right-wing court gon' strike down anything that trims their power. Watch.

Ответ для Jennifer Shin - WTAF

But still, there's no requirement that they vote as they're assigned. Maybe in some states but not everywhere.

Ответ для Jennifer Shin - WTAF

Why have I never heard of this?

Ответ для KD🪐🦁🇻🇪

I think a lot of people haven't heard about it. It needs to be shared widely so that people know what it is and that there's literally a plan in the works.

Ответ для Jennifer Shin - WTAF

I’ve been talking about this Compact for years. It would be as close as we can get to abolishing the Electoral College. Unfortunately, getting enough states to sign on to get to 270 is a huge task. Not impossible, but difficult.

If we eliminate the electoral college, is there any point for people living in the "flyover" states to vote at all? If your replacement is simple direct nationwide voting, then you are just replacing one disenfranchised group with another. BTW, Trump won the popular vote in 2024.

Ответ для Grumpy__Dev

How is it “disenfranchisement” when all votes count equally?

Ответ для Dog Has Thoughts

Because all votes aren't distributed equally. Over a third of the entire population lives in just 5 states (CA, FL, TX, NY, PA), and over half live in just 10 states. They would be over-represented while other less populated states would be severely underrepresented.

Ответ для Grumpy__Dev

Don’t get your point. Yes. More people live in some areas than others. Aren’t they all electing a president for the county? So shouldn’t each vote count the same?

Ответ для Dog Has Thoughts

PS EC was a concession it slave states. Why perpetuate that?

Ответ для Grumpy__Dev

But without the EC, states don't vote. CA and NY are not monoliths, 100% of the population of those states will not vote for a singular party. There is no disenfranchisement when removing the EC because it no longer matters what state you live, your vote will count.

Ответ для Ti'ana

A repub voting in CA as things are now, their vote means nothing. Remove the EC, now that CA repub's vote can contribute to their candidate regardless of how the rest of the state votes. Same for dems in places like Texas or Florida. No one's vote is devalued if the EC was gone.

Then they won't be able to continue cheating.

Most Americans, for 250yrs, have been saying they live in a democracy, but USA has never been more that a Flawed Democracy. This is by intent, to benefit racists & wealthy people. USA is 36th ranked in democracy; the top 35 countries have Universal Healthcare AND mandatory Maternity Leave.

Been saying it for decades myself. That and overturning citizens united are the best first steps to making a government that actually serves the will of the people and not corporations.

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Yes yes yes

Next time he had Elon fool around with the “ just not enough for recall” numbers in 7swing states

YESSSSSSS! LONG OVERDUE.

Agreed

You have a very strange kind of "democrazy" over there.

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It's time for a political revolution. Old gaurd is former conservatives and maga is racist America. The parties flipped long ago. And most are owned by aipac. They will dangle change in front of you while doing the bare minimum to keep your support. I represent 36.33% who have been disillusioned

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Since mlk only one woman has had the nerve to breathe his name in the presence of the people and she gave up her vanity prize to do it! Till all Americans have the never to chant the name La Fayette loud & proud in front of your so called representatives. They will never be motivated to work 4 you

Can`t understand why not ...

2.8M voters lost their vote. That is not democracy.

There is NOTHING fair and democratic about a system meant to enhance the vote of slave owners. Make every persons vote count and count every persons vote. We don't need "fake majorities" or "super delegates" picking for us.

This is a Catch-22 for Republicans. They want to federalize the electorate roll, but are dependent upon the states rights electoral college to win the White House. Trump won the reported popular vote in 2024, a true rarity for a republican.

I support this with all my being. The Electoral College was useful for a young aspiring Democracy but no more ... it is a debilitating weight on the people's choice. Dems, this needs to be on our "to do list" ... after the grifting GOP is removed.

Ответ для Jackie Knott

Do you know whether the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact has been passed in your state?

Ответ для spool32

It's only 70 electoral votes away from passing...

Ответ для Desert Dweller

www.nationalpopularvote.com If what you want is a solution instead of a clickbait image and some pointless concern, advocate for this specific thing in your state.

National Popular VoteState status: AK AL AR AZ CA CO CT DC DE FL GA HI IA ID IL IN KS KY LA MA MD ME MI MN MO MS MT NC ND NE NH NJ NM NV NY OH OK OR PA RI SC SD TN TX UT VA VT WA WI WV WY The National Popular Vote Interst...www.nationalpopularvote.com
Ответ для spool32

Excellent resource. Thanks for posting. My state's been part of the Compact since 2011.

Ответ для Desert Dweller

Good news, that number is down to 48 votes now. As of May 2026, the compact has been joined by eighteen states and the District of Columbia. They have 222 electoral votes, which is 41% of the Electoral College and 82% of the 270 votes needed to give the compact legal force.

Ответ для casual-friday

You made my day! 💙😁

Ответ для Jackie Knott

Glad to help!

Ответ для spool32

I'm in godawful blood red Texas ... no. Also home to 26 incarceration centers, most privately owned and operated. statesofincarceration.org/states/texas... And that doesn't count the number of state prisons, also privately owned/operated.

Ответ для Jackie Knott

So sorry. But you have a chance to turn things around. Check out the alternative .

Ответ для kittenclaws48

We have, we are. Gina Hinojosa for Governor. Talarico for Senator. The most I have ever gotten from any of my Representatives is GOP talking points ... along with a means to donate to their reelection campaign. 🙄 Solutions to issues? None.

Ответ для Jackie Knott

The Electoral College is useful for keeping old white men in charge. It’s been pretty effective for 237 years - except 2008/2012. It’s also pretty handy to subjugate a class of people.

Ответ для Jackie Knott

The Founding Fathers created pitfalls within the system to ensure that only wealthy white men could be elected. A true democracy is the “First Pass the Post” system — the candidate with the most votes wins. Gerrymandering or “Voter Padding” should be outlawed and reverted back to the County system.

Ответ для Jackie Knott

It was useful in that it gave the southern slave states (aka, white supremacists) political power they didn’t deserve.

Ответ для Jackie Knott

It really wasn't "useful" even then. It was almost done away with in 1800.

Ответ для Jackie Knott

Does anyone support that with 37% of their being?

Ответ для Jackie Knott

Actually the electoral college is an ancient remnant of the South racist past. www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...

The Electoral College’s Racist OriginsMore than two centuries after it was designed to empower southern white voters, the system continues to do just that.www.theatlantic.com
Ответ для Doremus J

Oh, we know.

Ответ для Jackie Knott

Exactly. We’ve matured a bit in 250 yrs. Time to revisit things.

Ответ для KD🪐🦁🇻🇪

LOTS of things; many need to be reinstated in the firmest/deepest criteria. We have a President, Cabinet, controlling party, and SCOTUS who have tossed the Constitution in the trash can. We marched to protest No Kings; and Trump imagined dumping on us. Wasn't satire and wasn't a joke; he meant it.

Ответ для Jackie Knott
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The Electoral College outlived its use like a flip phone. Period.

Get rid of that whole 2 senators per state thing, too

Good luck

IT WAS RIGGED FROM THE GET GO.

If you expand the House, and require all states to allocate votes, as NE and ME do, it would make it very unlikely that you can win the Presidency without winning the popular vote. It would also eliminate swing states, candidates would have to campaign nationwide. No amendment needed.

Exactly. You get in by the people. It’s why this twat waffle got in.

I blame the Electoral College for most of our woes.it was never designed to be fair.

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Saying it & making it happen are 2 different things. Step 1: We have to win elections by more than 1-2 points. Step 2: We have to keep our eyes on our top goals most important to the country. Step 3: Stick together.

It's sad that the American Founding Fathers were so out of touch with the citizenry that they didn't trust them to make informed decisions when voting.

I wonder whether there was any time in this country wherein the electoral college DID NOT favor republicans, i.e., republicans won the popular vote but lost the electoral college.

Ответ для Locksmith

Putting in another way, if the electoral college ever favored Democrats when they lost the popular vote, republicans would be the first ones wanting to revoke the electoral college.

utilize the electoral college to legally and constitutionally have the national vote decide the election www.nationalpopularvote.com

National Popular VoteState status: AK AL AR AZ CA CO CT DC DE FL GA HI IA ID IL IN KS KY LA MA MD ME MI MN MO MS MT NC ND NE NH NJ NM NV NY OH OK OR PA RI SC SD TN TX UT VA VT WA WI WV WY The National Popular Vote Interst...www.nationalpopularvote.com
Ответ для Gusto Embrado pseudonymbus

That would defeat the entire purpose of the electoral college, which is why it will never happen. www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ana...

The Electoral College’s Racist OriginsMore than two centuries after it was designed to empower southern white voters, the system continues to do just that.www.brennancenter.org
Ответ для Tracy

ME & NE?? “purpose of EC” not as B&W as some might think US/world evolved considerably since 1789 and some EC features now looking more like bugs duopoly, insane campaign $$$ (Cornyn/Paxton $130M for a runoff!), swing states invite HiTech microtargeting etc CA votes irrelevant OH votes relevant

Ответ для Gusto Embrado pseudonymbus

Why do all the “bugs” in our system favor conservative white males? By design, or by accident? One person, one vote would solve the EC problem. Why do states with tiny populations have the most power in the Senate? Wyoming has 68 times the voting influence of Calif.

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Pete Buttigieg is publicly calling for it to be abolished. All Democrats should be doing so NOW.

Ответ для TonyInAsheville (He/Him)

Yeah, but #FascistPete is all about NOT abolishing ICE 😲🤦‍♀️🙄

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Ответ для TonyInAsheville (He/Him)

pete still refuses to acknowledge israel's genocide, nah, we can do better

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Ответ для TonyInAsheville (He/Him)

When are the Democrats going to start doing something!! Aren't the mid-terms a few months away? The silence is deafening!

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What are they supposed to be doing?

Ответ для West Coast Mike

Talk about it & put out ads that loudly & constantly call out all of the screw ups by trump re Iran, the grift by he & his family, that trump's a billionaire 4x over since becoming president, how he's taken away SNAP benefits and medicare & made life harder but billionaires pay little taxes. ICE.

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I think a lot of Democrats realize elections for Congressional representatives are fought and won locally, within the district, senators within the State. There is a lot of activity going on locally. It may not be as visible outside the US, but it is happening.

Ответ для TonyInAsheville (He/Him)

I understand that. I don't understand why they aren't more vocal generally about the blatant corruption all the time. Respond to his most outrageous loud & clear with the truth. Keep the truth out there. Why are some democrats voting with the Republicans on bills. Remember what Repubs did to Obama.

Ответ для TonyInAsheville (He/Him)

Democrats must also call for the abolition of ICE, which Buttigieg refuses to do.

Make everyone’s vote count… Electoral college negates the votes of so many… Eliminate the electoral college altogether

Absolutely!

…and let’s repeat the message until everyone gets it!

Being from another country, this electoral college thing makes absolutely zero sense. But then, how a country could possibly elect this bloated orange vengeful childish sack of crap makes no sense either.

Ответ для 🇨🇦SgC🇨🇦

Nobody elected him. Nobody in US history ever won all the swing states with less than half the popular vote, the odds are significantly longer than winning the lottery. He rigged it and they've ALL abetted him.

Ответ для Chuck Bob

The college thing still makes zero sense to me though.

Ответ для 🇨🇦SgC🇨🇦

It was to give slave owners an outsized voice in our democracy. Full stop. The history and details are out there if you want to read them, but that's the most salient point about it.

Ответ для Chuck Bob

That basis for the electoral college is disgusting and if the US didn't contain such a large contingent of bigots, it would be struck down in a heartbeat. Canada also contains too many bigots but that is another story. The electoral college needs to go to protect planet earth from MAGA R's.

Ответ для DedicatedToDemocracy

Right? If we'd finished this after the LAST civil war we wouldn't be here right now.

Ответ для 🇨🇦SgC🇨🇦

It, and the Senate (equal representation to completely arbitrary land areas) were a sop to those who wanted to maintain the confederation.

Ответ для Chuck Bob

Yup. This.

Honestly the one time that I was thankful for the electoral college I don’t like Trump but with Clinton we would have been fuucckked

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We always walk the razors edge between a little murder of innocents, and mass murder of innocents. COINTELPRO invented a "New Left" that stands on in-group purity gating over coalition for progressive legislative gains. Bernie Sanders gave us Trump. Eugene McCarthy, Ted Kennedy, Ralph Nader.

The founding fathers were rich dudes who were terrified that the uneducated poors would "vote wrong, " the EC is working exactly as designed. Prior to the 17th amendment (1912?) we didn't vote for senators either, state legislatures voted who got to represent the state in the senate.

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Ответ для JustSayin

fbio cheated againstholary and both parties hold them above the law. Anyine who gives them a free fair election is just a degenerate nazi who cheated for trump

President should be popular vote. Senate and house should be states votes. And scotus should be 13 people, and be decided by a complicated across state judiciary panel where 1 just is nominated each years for a 13 year term withiut party politics interference.

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

If we get rid of the electoral college we could get rid of gerrymandering districts. Every voter 1 vote.

Abolishing the EC would require a constitutional amendment. It’s been tried many times but always failed. A workaround is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC). We are 78 votes from the requisite 278 votes. If you live in a Dem trifecta state, lobby your state legislature.

Agreed. Oh, she could rub you like nails on a chalkboard, but was there ever any doubt as to who she stood up for or where she stood? Another lost chance for America to move forward on the journey.

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Put it on the list of stuff we change.

Absolutely! I think that is how it is meant to be. We shouldn't be giving OUR power, our vote, to an "electoral college."

America cannot ever lay any sort of claim to democracy when the electoral college determines who the winner is & the general voting pop’n is totally ignored.

Abolish the ENTIRE election system, and replace it with Proportional Representation — as 90 other countries have done with great results. First Past The Post enforces the two-party system that got America here. Dems / Reps fear Proportional Representation because it would give voters other options

The Electoral College SHOULD be abolished post-midterms. Remapping/redistricting is enough and the two create a great imbalance in the fair election process.

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The electoral college is absolutely useless. It should’ve been abolished with the abolition of slavery.

I think her campaign thought it had already beeen done away with because they ignored so many states when planning campaign events.

Ответ для Larry From Pa

More people wanted Hillary Clinton to be president of the United States. That's the bottom line. Our Constitution is awful, & it promotes the systematic disenfranchisement of everyone except for white conservative men. That is the principal of this country was founded on.

Ответ для Tracy

D' either campaign & run elections with the EC in mind or get used to blaming "white consernative men" for everything when they lose. I happen to think Harris's loss was largely Biden's fault & the party's for not doing what Obama said & having primaries. And www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...

Donald Trump won more Black voters than any Republican in 48 years—analystThe president-elect saw a rise in support among various demographics across the United States.www.newsweek.com
Ответ для Larry From Pa

It’s always best to never blame Republicans for anything & blame Democrats for everything. “White conservative men” have always been blameless. If the Dems aren’t perfect, no one should vote for them. It’s far better to let the GOP change our country entirely. JFC. Electoral College 4-ever! 🤪

Ответ для Larry From Pa

Trump did NOT appeal to black women. Frankly, I’m pretty tired of the notion we have to appeal to men of any color for anything. Ever. The state of this country shows us what has happened under largely white male leadership. The hatred of women & minorities, the rejection of science - it’s hell.

It won't ever happen since it requires a constitutional amendment, and why would small states ratify it when it takes away their power? I really wish my fellow liberals would stop posting this nonsense all over social media. You might as well demand that we flap our hands and fly.

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Yeah. Go dig for a while and see if you can find out what the odds are of winning ALL the swing states with 20% of the popular vote (raw election data actually showed he got just over 30%, but the point is the same). You'll discover its effectively IMPOSSIBLE, and has never happened in US history.

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Musk rigged 2024 obvious to a blind person

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Idiot

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But…..but Butler was an assassination attempt! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Ответ для Dorothee V. Plessis

True.

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Worth remembering: presidential elections aren't run by "the nation" — they're run by 50 sovereign states, each deciding HOW to choose its electors. Most chose popular vote, but the power stays with the states. That's federalism working as designed, not a flaw. 🇺🇸

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Correct, States run elections within basic Federal guidelines, by the EC is a fully Federal creation. The system is not running as first crafted. This goes to the prevailing sentiment of the Founders that they were fearful of "pure" democracy. The EC's purpose was to buffer an "intemperate" voting

Ответ для MysteriousStranger

Of the common man & that literally meant white men. The Founders never intended a 2 Part system which would get rigged in favor of just those 2 parties. As I've said the EC isn't the only issue here but as written it is very susceptible to corruption of its intent. It is not Federalism as intended

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Agreed.

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Fair points. But note: even winner-take-all (which entrenches the 2-party lock-in) isn't federally mandated — it's a state choice. Maine & Nebraska split their votes. The "rigging" you describe happens at state level, within the room states themselves created. Federalism cuts both ways.

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I guess what I'm saying is — don't blame poor old EC for states' own choices. Even abolish it entirely, and you'd still have 50 separate state elections feeding into the result, not one national vote. Nor should it be — that's the whole point of a federal union, not a confederacy of convenience.

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Thank you for a reasoned response. It's getting rarer even on Bsky. I say though that strictly speaking of POTUS, the ONLY general Federal election, the EC by being "gamed" at the State/Local levels enables the chicanery we see the 2 Party system fosters there. It's clear the Founders just didn't

Ответ для MysteriousStranger

didn't trust the common person, the way they did the Elites of their time. Well times have changed, and CLEARLY it's allowed the "intemperate" man to prevail...again. The irony is, the EC was supposed to PREVENT problems like Trump, not enable them, ironically by allowing an unelected Elites to..

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...choose POTUS and V-POTUS. Keep in mind what happens in that event. The House decides POTUS by each State submitting ONE vote, the Senate selects VP by each Senator (orginally unelected/selected by State Legislatures) from each State, in essence 2 votes per State. This is why Trump desperately..

Ответ для Dorothee V. Plessis

And we can't be certain of that either.

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Elon knows..,

Ответ для Dorothee V. Plessis

By cheating

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Or, if kept, it should check the people's will in the case of manifestly unqualified candidates. As Hamilton argues in Federalist 68, the College must ensure "that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man...not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."

Our country wouldn’t have gone through all of this had it been popular vote. Would’ve dodged that lying misogynistic narcissistic racist ignorant bullet

yes yes yes it's out of date and out of purpose.

I think you guys should take a look at how our system works in Australia. It's called a "Washminster" system because it combines bits from the UK and US systems. It's a pretty good system, I reckon! I feel like a popular vote system disadvantages areas with low populations.

It’s not even the electoral high school at this point

Hell yes

Requires a constitutional amendment. You really want to open that door for MAGA?

It would go a long way towards motivating people to vote.

100% every single vote should count!

Agreed!

That is if trumb didn't cheat...now there's the rub.

Damn straight!

He is now way way ahead in the Unpopular vote

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He also lost the popular vote in 2020. And again in 2024. And here we are.

- Abolish electoral college - Term limits on Supreme Court - Term Limits on Congress - Ability to Remove the President with just a majority vote of Congress!!

the electoral college negates any idea of democracy

Not sure this fixes it, but it can’t be ANY worse than rigging the electoral college.

One person, one vote.

It's a cautionary tale. The electoral college is a relic from when only male property owners could vote. (Property included slaves) The popular vote would have spared us from the horrible orange menace...

1. We cannot think this way. Because that simply won’t happen. We need to find some way to get more Democrats to come to the polls. We could win 80% of the electoral college if all of our voters actually showed up.

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2. I have seen statistics where five or 10% improvement of Democrats showing up, instead of staying home, could turn a red state blue. We don’t have the power to get rid of the electoral college. At least not yet.

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And Trump won the popular vote in 2024 This is a distraction in a year we need to be trying to win the house and senate

That is what should happen in polite society - the people with the most votes should be declared the winner!

As a Canadian, I've never understood the concept of the Electoral College. It seems to me that it's just another form of some citizens votes not being counted, which seems anti-democratic. Again, I don't understand the concept of the electoral college.

Ответ для Catherine's Nook📚🇨🇦

It was designed to protect the rich and slavers.

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Somehow, that comes as no surprise. One would have thought that between the time of the end of the Civil War and now, the Electoral College would have been abolished. It's so backwards. People's votes are abolished instead of the anti-democratic processes.

Ответ для Catherine's Nook📚🇨🇦

It is intertwined with the original "three-fifths compromise" with slave-holding states that thought their population representation in the House & EC should be based on their total population, including SLAVES WHO HAD NO VOTE. The "compromise" was to count slaves as three-fifths of a person.

Just redo the state votes so they are representational to the population of the states! It's supposed to happen every census anyway, but Republicans have obviously been blocking it!

Electoral college is corruption! Abolished Electoral College! 🙏🏼

I agree.

Yes abolish the electoral college system! Make each vote count not a collection of states electoral votes!

Several states, including most recently, Virginia, to give all their state’s electoral votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote nationally,regardless of how that candidate does in their own statewide election. The effect is that the winner of the popular vote will always win the election .

The electoral college makes absolutely no sense to me. The person with the most votes is obviously what the people want.

Ответ для Trisha Morgan

It makes sense to the people who want right-wing whites to control the country. It's the same reason the Senate does not proportionally represent the states. Conservative whites will always control the US unless we get the popular vote and a proportional Senate.

Electoral College and any other rationalization to the contrary, the only person to occupy the Oval Office should be the one elected by a MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS, only, period and full stop!

It's time. #Republicans have too much vested in manipulating it. It's cost society dearly.

Just imagine what could have been...

The Electoral College is DEI for red states. I’ll die on that hill.

Nothing short of a constitutional amendment gets us out of the electoral college.

I can guarantee you if we ever went with one vote one person the Republicans could would do everything they could to make sure that only white men vote.

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Just like they're doing now.

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Our founding fathers specifically only wanted property-owning white men to vote. At its inception, this was a racist, misogynistic right-wing country. And we have developed institutions that have kept it this way for 250 years.

Local elections need local boundaries. State elections should be statewide... A National election should be a nationwide boundary... NO NEED for the Electoral College in this modern era!!!

Hilary Clinton believes Israel is justified in genocide. F*ck her.

I have been saying this since my senior paper in my college Political Science class, 1972!

Yup. Way over due.

Republicans can't win unless they cheat.

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We should investigate if this is a true statement

You americans have the worst, most unnecessary convoluted voting system.

Had she not been robbed in 2016, US would still be, & stronger by far, the respected leader of the world.

I still have my Hillary sticker on my Subaru and get a lot of warm greetings as a consequence. The US voters really blew it when the chose the cretin over her. The red states will never live this down. But they'll be paying for it for decades.

Decades.

I don't understand why you allow guardians to vote for you. Stand up, fight for your freedom. One person, one vote, that's how a fair election works.

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And that gerrymandering! 😁😆😅🤣😂

Imagine what our country would look like now if Trump had never been President. The office would still be an example of respectful & respected leadership. Young folks would understand what we mean when we say Trump is unpresidential & wouldn't have grown up thinking his boorish behavior is normal.

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The Republic the founders created is ☠️. Oppression killed it. Let's do something the founders couldn't and take a united stand against all forms of oppression? That's how we make America Great. #TrueAmericanPatriots stand united against all forms of oppression in the name of peace. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I hate these posts, as they are shouting, “I’ve never read the constitution and have no idea what it takes to amend it.”

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Plenty of countries have amended their Constitutions to fit with modern times. We just have ass-backwards Republicans who gerrymander and rig everything and refuse to get with the times.

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They’re ass-backwards, but they are sure as hell not going to give up their electoral advantage. Getting the senate would be hard enough, but the ratification of the states? We couldn’t even get the ERA through.

Ответ для BananaPancakesCanSaveYourSoul

We aren't "plenty of countries" and we have a constitution, and a size & spread of states and their legislatures, that make amending the aforementioned constitution damn near impossible.

Ответ для zerocrossing

They’re not calling for a constitutional amendment.

Ответ для 123xyz

That’s what you’d need to abolish the electoral college.

Ответ для zerocrossing

Abolishing the Electoral College isn’t what the National Popular Vote Compact seeks. It’s an agreement that, when joined by states with 270+ electoral votes, they will each award their electoral votes to the candidate with the most votes nationwide.

Ответ для 123xyz

There’s an argument they can’t do that, but it’s not strong. Article I, Clause 2 says: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress”

Ответ для 123xyz

Note all the instructions that Clause doesn’t give the states on how they should pick their electors and all the power it doesn’t give Congress to direct the states on how to do it.

How do you get the small, usually Republican states, to surrender their political advantage & amend the US Constitution 🤔

For years is right. JFK said that if it was up to him, he'd eliminate the electoral college

The electoral college still performs its original purpose… keeping power for the (formerly) slave states.

Abolish both parties while you’re at it, your system and it’s parasites are corrupt beyond redemption.

Please folks- the electoral college is enshrined in the constitution. It can only be removed by amendment. Good luck with that. The interstate compact MAY be an alternative, but I doubt that this Supreme Court would allow it to stand. We need a new constitution.

Yes and the electoral college is antiquated and has lost its purpose. Repeal it and popular vote wins elections. Other countries don't understand why we still use it.

I truly believe had she been our president instead of throwing, our country would be a much better Financial shape as well as still being well respected and trusted around the world Trump has been running our country into the ground while spending tax payer's $ on CRAP when it's not his to spend

Fully, fully agree.

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Matter little with Peter Theil counting the votes

Yes…we have been saying it for years! Also, Trump only started whining about stolen elections when he stole one himself. Classic Trump move to accuse those of what he himself has done.

And the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is at 222 with 39 pending. Get behind it in your state and support it everywhere.

As far as I’m concerned, due to the electoral college, my vote was stolen.

I’m not a Hilary fan (I did vote for her) I wanted Bernie. Establishment Dems MUST get behind progressive candidates who DO NOT take AIPAC, AI or crypto money.

Yes - it needs to be abolished! The initial purpose & need for the electoral college had been obsolete once our nation started growing & expanding. The electoral delegates' votes often do not represent the real choices of American voters. Al Gore also won the popular vote in 2000 against GW Bush...

Yes abolish.🤨

It’ll never happen unfortunately. Republicans will never vote against the only thing that lets them win. Dems aren’t brave enough to table it. The electorate will never give Dems a clear enough majority to even talk about it.

Yes

I think that regional majorities are more important. Maybe through voter fraud, but he won both elections.

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YESYESYES!!

While we're at it, let's not forget that George W. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, too. He won the election because the Supreme Court awarded him Florida's electoral votes, which pushed Bush to 271, one more than the minimum required for victory. Never forget that bit of election fraud.

Just think about what could have been avoided: Two ultra right wing justices Overturn of Roe and voting rights January 6th Presidential immunity Iran war Attack Venezuela Blockade and deaths in Cuba Deflection pool algae Cover up of Trumpstein files. Screw worms Cancel of USAID.

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Plus, how many billions of taxpayer dollars have tRump & his criminal family transfered directly to their bank accounts? How many more have they garnered using the presidency to manipulate the stock market, etc.?

Counterpoint. Unearned arrogance of @hillaryclinton.bsky.social trumped basic strategy; Mook's ego "expanded the map" straight into losing. Whoops. Also, the limit of fucking your way to the top is you always end up beneath the one you're fucking. #stop

The electoral college seems to be a great way to surmount the public interest.

America is not a functioning democracy.

That and change the number of senators. Two from California versus the population of Wyoming? Not balanced

Ответ для Mark

Each state has two senators because of the Connecticut Compromise of 1787. Small states feared being overpowered by larger ones. The Founders balanced power by basing the House on population, while giving every state equal representation in the Senate to ensure a voice regardless of size.

Ответ для Theo

I’m slowly reading my way thru the constitution. I didn’t care in 1991 when I had government class and it didn’t seem nearly as relevant to understand back then.

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No time like the present

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I understand but the founding fathers never envisioned some states with populations like New York with 39 million plus compared to Wyoming with 584,000. The disparities are too great. Each state gets prorated by percentage of the overall population voting on all bills. Regardless we need change!

Worth repeating until they finally get it🙏

We would have had a whole different timeline to live in

100%

we have a lot of changes to make for our so-called representatives in DC when papa pedo and his Klan is removed!

The people should decide wherever they are, even if most of them live in population centers anymore ...

One of the first things on the to-do list in January 2027. The Democrats are making a to-do list, right?

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NOW go look up exactly what it takes to amend the Constitution. Did everyone on Bluesky flunk 5th grade Social Studies?

Agree

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We need a Republican to win the popular vote but lose the electoral college for it to change. (Impossible I know but Democrats are not allowed to do anything).

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That will never happen, by design. Every time a president has won the presidency through the electoral college, without the popular vote, it has always been the most conservative candidate. That's the point of the electoral college. That's the point of this country.

Would require a constitutional amendment to be ratified by some of the small states that benefit from the current arrangement. Easier to expand the House of Representatives which would redistribute the EC more proportionally.

Better yet, pick a candidate who can beat one of the worst-qualified candidates in history. Hillary, Biden, Harris failed to hold Trump accountable on the debate stage. We told Pelosi and the DNC that Hillary could never win a general election in 2004.

I guess some CEV got paid cuz if you win the popular votes, the CEV must support the people's choice. I could be wrong 🤔.

Amen. We saw the mess coming if we did not abolish it; it does not suit a modern democracy.

Abolish DJT!

For all federal seats, like the Supreme Court. When California has 39 million taxpayers get 2 senators, while North and South Dakotas and Wyoming all have less than 2.5 total taxpayers but get 6 senators. This is just one example of taxation without representation. This system should be a crime.

Ответ для therock54

Absolutely ridiculous, it’s gotta end

Ответ для therock54

Yet, you forget the House. California has 58 representatives while those 3 states you mentioned, have 3 representatives. Hmm...try reading about the Great Compromise to educate yourself.

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Your understanding of the federal government is lacking. The number of senators is based on having two representatives from each state; it represents each state equally. The number of representatives in the House reflects the population in each state, with there being a minimal number.

Ответ для Sue Krause

The Senate elects judges, as in Supreme Court judges, where equality is judged and presidents are impeached for being a rapist pedophile felon. The current system does not work today. When one of the 3 branches don't work for taxpayers, the system is broken, in this case, all 3 branches are broken.

The Electoral College has given us W and DJT. Don’t you think the board should change it to the Electoral Junior College?

That will be one of the reforms after the revolution.

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Oh we're gonna go way further than that. I propose we use the internet to move to a direct democracy and abolish Congress entirely.

Ответ для Chuck Bob

Legislation is complicated. The Founding Fathers envisioned government by the somewhat elite and reasonably well-informed. Government by the ignorant masses would be almost as bad as or even worse than the crooked frauds who are running it now, insecurity of the internet as a voting platform aside.

Ответ для Don Neel

Based on what? One experiment in Greece over 2000 years ago? Pfft, I'd rather speak for myself, thanks.

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Having a powerful president is not democracy. Too many insanely bad people have been POTUS

If the EC worked in Republicans' favor, they would be screaming to abolish it. And, as always, Democrats would be divided on the subject.

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Sorry, I wrote that backwards. I meant to say, if the EC worked against Republicans they would be wanting to abolish it.

It’s much easier to manipulate a handful of electorates than the entire vote!

Yes abolish it, it's stupid and not an accurate depiction of who America actually votes for, it makes no sense that a handful of states determines who wins an election..to me that is fraudulent! Elections should always be one person one vote and all votes should count, period.

Mutual respect & a cordial relationship amongst US Presidents was the norm in America. But corrupt felon Trump came to insult, belittle & mock people. Trump is deranged & vulgar. He has made $6 BILLONS while Trump’s Economy is UNAFFORDABLE Vote 💙 to impeach him if he molested children with Epstein

From your lips to Congress ears. It's easier to control the electoral college than it is to control millions of votes. I doubt it'll ever happen in my lifetime

Hillary is and was right about everything. The US missed out on a great, educated and experienced president.

2) A Cory is a background check. I had to be coried when I served as volunteer coordinator for the Carroll Center for the Blind. Teachers are coried. A Cory should be required for people running for office. Opposite research is often done by candidates. Cory results couldn't be called partisan.

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"Opposition research, not "opposite." An auto-incorrect moment.

1) I agree 100%. The Electoral College should have been changed, crushed years ago. Citizens United needs be overturned. The Supreme Court needs to be reconfigured. The practice of gerrymandering needs to stop, those who depend on it need to be taken to task.

Fat chance. 2/3 of both houses and 3/4 of every state. In the present political climate, why would republicans give up the only way they get into the WH?

Been saying this for years too... jeez!

I’ve been saying that since high school and that was a long time ago.

Many voices have called the ELECTORAL SYSTEM archaic and unfair. ONE VOTE ONE VOICE.

We can't make that happen without the red states. We must start by taking over the local and state governments. Democrats could win most of those states by running progressive campaigns: state economy, personal economy (make ends meet), healthcare, etc., showing those folks what's possible.

or, hmo we redo the numbers so that the number of representatives represent the same number of people.

The only way for repugs to win is to cheat. Thats it. They cant win another way.

Ответ для Moody

I generally agree, but let's extend this up to conservatives. By this, I mean a conservative is anyone acting to conserve the existing power structure. Think about billionaires donating money to politicians.

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Like Soros?

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Or Musk? Or the Koch brothers? Or Miriam Adelson? Or Peter Thiel? Or Zuckerberg? Or Bezos? Or...

Ответ для Chuck Watkins

Why do conservative followers ever speak up in defense of their billionaires? It's fucking pathetic. When I say, "I think the world could be better if all billionaires were dead". I'm not somehow excluding one who pretends to be on my side. It is clearly billionaires versus everyone else.

Ответ для Sqeaky

Clearly, from the perspective of who's preserving existing power structures, all billionaires are conservative. From this view, even Soroa is he doesn't want universal health care either.

Ответ для Moody

Close your eyes and it sounds like maga speaking lol. Either side can win because Independents decide who wins. want to win national elections and swing states got to be more towards the center and drive Independents to you.

If it was any other country and the loser becomes the leader we would say they are fraudulent and not recognized.

Land of the free 😂

MAGSts will never go for it. Because it favors red states.

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It also favor Blue Minnesota smaller Pop. Not just Red States will fight this. Only Blue Coastal States will Mega Cities want this. Who wants NYC and LA deciding elections

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One person, one vote. Seems the fairest way.

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I get the argument. Not a hill I would die on. Just am against giving Coastal Mega Cities more power than they already have. U do U

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If you think your votes deserve more weight than mine, go fuck yourself. People who live in places where lots of people live deserve to have their votes count just as much as the votes of people who choose to live in places where few others live.

This would not stop what is currently happening because he won the popular vote in 24

Many of us have been saying this since Bush lost the popular vote and the Supreme Court colluded with the Governor of Florida to change the outcome of the 2000 elections and give Bush the electoral college. Election was stolen in plain view of everyone, and we never recovered.

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And of course if Florida hadn’t been suppressing votes extensively in 2000 with their voter roll purges based on bogus data, it wouldn’t have been anywhere near close enough for that SCOTUS collusion to have any effect. GOP is an anti-democratic, power-hungry, anti-American institution.

Shes better but not by much

Electoral college system is out dated. The only reason we still have it is a republican would lose 10-11 times for the presidency its not an election if the popular vote doesn’t not win. Send a big message to the GOP the midterms will hurt a lot and 2028 election no electoral college no REPUBLICAN

I broadly agree, but would point out that A) What really matters is cutting that Republican shit out where they disenfranchise voters and B) Trump did win the 2024 popular vote 😬 so Democrats still need to actually, like, run on a platform that appeases their voters, not tries to attract fascists

Yet only one of them is running around crying about rigged elections....hmmm....

What other country do the hold a vote and the second highest vote getter wins? None, because it's a stupid idea.

Waiting for DECADES for this to happen. Tired of the subject being talked to death.

I hope I live long enough to see that!

When it comes to elections, there are 2 things that the rest of the world agrees on: 1) America is dumb 2) America is dumb

Americans are finally waking up to that and a few other facts:

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More issues Americans are finally waking up to:

Bernie would have won.

Ответ для PG (pretty good)

Nope. Bernie, the misogynist, is one of the least productive members of Congress, but he gives a great speech.

Ответ для Tracy

Lier and not a good person so go away.

Ответ для PG (pretty good)

If you can’t spell “liar,” then maybe you shouldn’t use such complicated terminology.

The electoral college is the stupidest idea in the history of ever.

Ответ для ccolter

It was once meant for a bygone era and it's time to either revamp it or abolish it.

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It was a compromise back in 1787. It needs to be abolished. It’s too easy to rig and we have evidence now it can be easy done …from the 2020 election.

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Absolutely correct, Donnie has found out how to exploit the vulnerabilities in the Electoral College to his advantage thus exactly what people have warned about over the years.

Ответ для HappyJoker

The ostensible purpose of the Electoral College was to guard against The Tyranny Of The Majority. Electors would presumably be smart enough not to let a popular idiot rule. It failed. Time to abolish it.

Ответ для willis-2

People say this a lot. I don't think I believe it. It feels like a tool created by rich white christian male landowners to exercise control over under classes. And look who's in charge today: rich white male Christian presenting company owners.

Ответ для Sqeaky

Over 700 proposals have been made to change the electoral college system over the years. 538 votes total w/ a required 270 votes to win. 48 states have decided their electors will follow the popular vote winner-some of those electors can go rogue and vote for their personal preference. It’s flawed

Ответ для willis-2

2 States have their own rules. Different electoral college dates apply in determining their voting results-which delays the election process. It’s a waste of time and resources- a popular vote of the people is all that’s necessary. One person = one vote. Tally it up and you have a winner!

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While everything you said is true, none of it contradicts my point that it's a tool for the rich and powerful to remain rich and powerful.

Ответ для Sqeaky

Yes. That’s the reason it hasn’t changed since 1787-the wealthy whites refuse to give it up- they’ve been highly successful in denying the people their candidate of choice.

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Exactly. Seems to work most everywhere else.

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What evidence do you have that ANYTHING in 2020 was rigged? NONE.

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Cry-baby loser Trump never STFU bc his fragile,bloated sense of self found out, Americans were over his BS,+ineptitude!

Ответ для HappyJoker

I think this is a misconception. It was always intended to be a check on the people’s power and it’s still being used that way.

Ответ для ccolter

It’s not stupid, it’s evil. Its main impact-& purpose-in 1792 was to increase the weight of votes by free persons in slave states by the extra Congressional seats awarded to slave states under the 3/5 compromise.

Ответ для 123xyz

In 1792, states got 1 House seat/33,000 people. So, a free state with 200k people got 6 reps & 8 electoral votes. A slave state with 200k free people & 165k slaves was treated as having 200k + 3/5 * 165k people for a total of 299k & got 9 reps & 11 electoral votes. Their votes were worth 22% more.

Just toss out the "majority takes all" rules, they were added later and are unsuccessful! It was always supposed to be proportional!!

Ответ для karen5219

Yes, but just tossing the EC and going by popular vote is the better option imo. It just adds a convoluted unnecessary middleman whether it be winner take all or proportional. Better is removing winner take all/first-past-the-post in *all* elections. Get a better voting method like ranked choice.

Agree 100%. A group of 30k people in Iowa or Wisconsin shouldn’t determine whether the entire world gets turned upside down by some fraudulent pedophile! The majority is ruled by and judged by the minority!