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Sam Freedman

The other issue with vocational at 14 is implicit selection. Well off families will ensure their kids do academic courses. This happens at 16 anyway but at least we give everyone a chance to get a set of academic quals.

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Phillwatson FBPE 🇬🇧🇨🇭 🇪🇺🖖 🔶

Not necessarily. That’s a risk if vocational education is seen as a dead end. One of the best features of the Swiss system is its permeability. My son is starting his third year of an EFZ apprenticeship and can still progress to a Fachhochschule. It doesn’t close doors in the way many people assume.

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Phillwatson FBPE 🇬🇧🇨🇭 🇪🇺🖖 🔶

Also Vocational Education has equal prestige in Switzerland as an Academic Education. A parent would be as equally proud as her child getting an apprenticeship at Roche at going to ETH. In Switzerland of course there is no graduate premium as someone with a vocational education gets the same pay

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Phillwatson FBPE 🇬🇧🇨🇭 🇪🇺🖖 🔶

I think you’re right that employer buy-in is fundamental. That’s one of the biggest strengths of the Swiss model. But we have to try and build those partnerships rather than concluding we can’t? The education and labour market have to evolve together and we require a cultural reset with education

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David Harbourne

Yes, we have to build the partnerships. And there's evidence that we can. University Technical Colleges are a prime example of what can be done to bring employers into the 14-18 curriculum. bakerdearing.org

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Janto McMullin

Out of curiosity, how does it pan out for the kids of immigrants who end in the vocational track? Here in Finland it's widely seen as a kiss of death towards low-skilled work for immigrants

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Phillwatson FBPE 🇬🇧🇨🇭 🇪🇺🖖 🔶

From what we’ve experienced in Switzerland, the vocational route certainly isn’t a “kiss of death”. My son is doing a four-year EFZ apprenticeship. Language seems to be the biggest barrier; once young people are fluent, we’ve generally found they’re treated on merit.

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Phillwatson FBPE 🇬🇧🇨🇭 🇪🇺🖖 🔶

His school actually gives him support because although fluent there is technical aspects of language so he gets extra support in exams

Hen Gymro Heb Wlad

Indeed. I work in IT. One if my former colleagues initially trained as an agricultural worker, then decided he'd rather work indoors & retrained in electrical engineering. Another is a former seamstress. 🇨🇭 combines excellent vocational training with flexibility to change track. Unlike 🇬🇧 or 🇩🇪.

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Phillwatson FBPE 🇬🇧🇨🇭 🇪🇺🖖 🔶

My youngest son is in WMS. He now wants to do Psychiatric Medicine. All he needs to do is take a Passerelle and he can switch across. It’s so flexible