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I will vote YES on this transit proposal in Metro #Detroit on Tuesday, but the fact is that we are throwing money at a regional configuration that will *never* play economically. Buses struggling against an absurdly-sprawled region that has no principal economic core will continue to underperform.

Transportation Riders United

“I spent the majority of my day getting to work." TRU board member Deanne Austin, who had to take three buses each way - plus Uber or rides from family - to get to her job at a Livonia manufacturer. We can make sure this never has to happen to anyone again. Vote yes on Wayne County Transit August 4

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The amount in this mileage won't do what TRU wants. Its not enough money. This is to fund SMART in Wayne County to force inclusion of the cities that currently opt out. In Detroit, a chunk of the tax will be taken by the DDA. This is austerity. Its regional taxation butt not coordination.

Ответ для Captain Fantastic

Detroit used to have about 450 busses daily, back in the 90's, and that was not enough which is why the push for regional transit heated up. (also to help fund SMART) Today Detroit has about 220 busses per day.

Ответ для Captain Fantastic

Yeah. Intra-city sprawl in the City of Detroit alone makes a pure bus system a slog. And with little political support for upzoning in the core or any kind of density… we are missing a North Star for any long-term transit plan. Household incomes are just too low to support a real conversation.

Ответ для Adam Cook

Anything based on residential taxes is going to fail to raise enough money. To fund these systems the three business tax cuts that occurred over the past 25 years have to be rescinded. The reason we have these issues is directly tied to those tax cuts, and the state was warned.

Ответ для Captain Fantastic

Also we gotta get rid of DDA's and probably TIFA's. Those were developed in the 1970's with a purpose of generating development in downtown areas and while it might have been working back in the 70's, its not creating jobs or new development.

Ответ для Captain Fantastic

In the city of Detroit, Rock Financial wants $200 million from public funds to tear down the RenCen, a usable building that was occupied, without any guarantee there will be a positive ROI. Its just pumping money into Rock Financials cash flow.

Ответ для Captain Fantastic

I am sort of torn on the RenCen - because, if it comes down, Detroit really does not have a great track record at utilizing freed up space. And the bad optics of Detroit's tallest building coming down. But, yeah. None of this is economically healthy - having basically one guy owning everything.

Ответ для Adam Cook

Like Detroit's downtown core *looks* nice, but it is wholly uncompetitive against any of our peer cities economically. So the whole thing is desperate and dysfunctional. Detroit's financials look good to the bond markets, but we are so under-invested in just about everything that it somewhat moot.

Ответ для Adam Cook

Terrible situation to have achieved after many decades of effort.

Ответ для Adam Cook

Re the RenCen its just reducing office, space aka supply, which will cause an increase in sq ft cost. Classic real-estate scam by a developer aka Dan Gilbert. and that free space is just more riverfront How much riverfront do u need if there is no one there? If u build it will they come?

Ответ для Captain Fantastic

Yeah. It is a real chicken-or-egg thing now IMO. Because I think to get moving economically, we are going to need to have density somewhere in Detroit that can prop up everyone else. Of course, being from the South Side of Chicago… not like the gains from The Loop are available to all Chicagoans.

Ответ для Adam Cook

And Chicago TIFs are a huge scam. None of that ever went to South Side as promised. Just Navy Pier and etcetera.

Ответ для Adam Cook

That's what the MCS was supposed to do but it ain't happening. They should be filling every space with a house, apartment or business. There is still a lot of empty space over there. And they have a proposed stadium they want to add. But we are not hearing any guidance or plans from the city.

I guess that the only “redeeming” aspect of this is that Metro Detroit transit gets an unserious amount of money (compared to say, Chicago, Charlotte and Columbus which are sucking up all of our graduates) - in a perverse sort of way. There is only one card to play - the City of #Detroit.

Ответ для Adam Cook

Attempting, if only casually, to distribute competitive economic activity over such a huge area has only created situation where every part of the region (and the state) underperforms. It’s just basic geometry. Certainly, citizens here are no better when looking at income growth and productivity.

Ответ для Adam Cook

Southfield, Troy and Livonia are not making a dent in it. They have no capacity to. The hard macroeconomic data for Metro Detroit does not lie. What’s the plan here? To continue to throw away money to support brand new townships north of Auburn Hills and Mt. Clemens and west of Plymouth? Smart.

Ответ для Adam Cook

It is a completely self-defeating tactic, abetting more sprawl.

Ответ для peregrine kate (she/her)

Yup. There is significant population growth and single-family housing construction interest in Auburn Hills now. Everyone here that is honest with themselves knows what will happen next. We are dying of heat death.

Ответ для Adam Cook

In this particular region, dependent as it has long been on car culture (& I’m sympathetic to whoever recently pointed out that “car cult” is more accurate), we seem hell-bent on self-immolation. Horrifying, enraging, anguish-producing. Far far far too few efforts to counter it at any level.