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Dr. Lucky Tran

Vegetables and fruits are a vital part of a healthy diet, and not every piece of produce is contaminated, so rather than cut them out completely, a layered strategy can help reduce your risk-

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Dr. Lucky Tran

avoid bagged greens, buy whole fruits and vegetables, buy local produce or frozen produce, trim away outer layers of produce and wash thoroughly, and when you can, heat or reheat your food to 158 degrees F which kills the parasite.

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Ellen Friedman

Thank you for this careful & useful explanation. We were just discussing if multiple sources & how we might best reduce our own risk while still eating vegetables. I live in Bay area CA. Should we avoid raw leafy greens unless local? Is washing just rinse w water or use soap? 1/

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Ellen Friedman

For now, we give tomatoes/ sweet peas quick rinse with almost boiling water. Other veggies we cook. But leafy greens we've just been avoiding at the moment Would welcome your thoughts 2/2

Nancy Elliot 🇨🇦

Just wait until America has a serious health emergency ….

DocDanPgh

Thank you for the update and advice. I would only add that this is also something that people should know:

Domestic Supply Adoptee for Reproductive Justice

Why avoid bagged greens? A very prominent and experienced epidemologist at CIDRAP said bagged greens that say not to wash them on the bag have already been washed in ways that are better at removing potential contagions than people can do in their own kitchens.

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Gyattger Hauer

Not an expert but it is possible with this type of contagion for the contamination to have occurred downstream of the processing/rinsing

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Gyattger Hauer

I think

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Gyattger Hauer

Contagion might be the wrong word there, it's a parasite. But do you take my meaning? People fail to wash their hands and stuff everywhere, at basically all points in production

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Domestic Supply Adoptee for Reproductive Justice

Point taken. It's a parasite. Thereason I have a question about bagged greens is that the Dr. I refer to pointed out that before bagging (in the bags that say do not wash), the greens are washed/ treated somehow in a way that removes bacteria, fungi, parasites, etc.

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Domestic Supply Adoptee for Reproductive Justice

So why avoid (at home) bagged greens that should have been cleaned this way and immediately sealed in sterile bags?

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Wolf, Wings Not Included 💉10/2⁉ w/ anti-FLiRT v20.25

Because, again, workers are human and fuck up constantly. The ideal production line. ...versus... Thousands of exhausted underpaid overworked workers on autopilot with quotas to meet at risk of having hours cut. ...results in (cross-)contamination being way more likely these days at any step.

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Gyattger Hauer

Hypothetically? because there are reports that the failsafes designed to ensure the soundness of this process have either been ignored, ceased to be enforced, or otherwise failed, and because you would be worried about getting the illness associated with that failure.

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Gyattger Hauer

I say "hypothetically" because I don't really consume a lot of bagged produce anymore, having preferred whole produce that I wash, cut and prepare at home for quite a while now. I still would buy the occasional bin of spring greens or whatever but definitely not doing so presently

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Christofascists can all fuck off

With Cyclospora, the parasites are not susceptible to washing processes, even bleach treatments, and only heat (or deep freezing that home freezers are rarely capable of) to at least 158 degrees can neutralize the parasite. Even HOCl is not a viable neutralizer for cyclospora, unfortunately. 😩

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Tait, the Imaginary

It’s my understanding that just washing does not get rid of this parasite, the food has to be cooked. Hence the advice here to remove outer layers and cook if possible.

jshoreboston

How long do you have to cook food at 158 degrees before this cyclosporiasis parasite is killed? Thanks.

Quarantegan

*158F/70C for 15 minutes, 140F/60C for 60 minutes, or 212F/100C for <1 minute doi.org/10.1645/ge-6... **Most home freezers do not get cold enough to kill cyclospora. Deep freezing theoretically works: -20°C for at least 48 hours or -70°C for 60 minutes (see same study linked above)