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Comment on a post about how great children’s comics are right now. Is this sarcasm, am I misreading it.

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I'm a big bookish nerd who read did read all of those books for fun (expect my Greek Myths book was an Usborne one with a massive dragon on the front). I did *not* read them at the age of 8: what is this person on?

"Children should be reading [x]" - someone who has not spoken to a child in a very long time

Ответ для Gabby HC

"Children should be reading books my own children hated, in a tiny font size with lots of serifs, and the covers should have no more than two colours on them."

Ответ для David Whitley

Children should prefer the cabbage salad i brought to the village fete over Sandra's stupid cupcakes

Ответ для Gabby HC

The beatings will continue until morale improves

Ответ для David Whitley

Come on... we all know children only relate to writers who died before their parents were born.

Ответ для Jan Arrah🏳️‍🌈

(Full disclosure - as a kid I did quite like Swallows & Amazons & Alice In Wonderland, but also Pratchett and The Beano... and also very much Not Children's Lit that I found on my dad's bookshelves, like Slaughterhouse 5)

Ответ для Gabby HC

Absolutely nothing wrong with that.. and if a kid wants to read Narnia, the Hobbit, or Little Women, no one should stop them... but we shouldn't also force them. The only way to make kids want to read is to let them read what they want.

Ответ для Jan Arrah🏳️‍🌈

yep, absolutely!

Ответ для Jan Arrah🏳️‍🌈

(In fairness, the 12yo is currently loving the Hitchhiker's Guide, but persuading the 9yo for switch Pamela Butchart and Wimpy Kid for Books Beloved At The Time Because TV Hadn't Been Invented Yet is going to be a tough ask).

Ответ для David Whitley

In fairness, as a kid, I didn't get into reading until late because I was forced to read for school, and I was told I was bad at it. So I hated it. Then I started reading comics and Goosebumps, which quickly became Fear Street, Christopher Pike, and LJ Smith, then adult novels. So yeah..

Ответ для Jan Arrah🏳️‍🌈

Yep, in my experience the best way to make sure children won't read is for an adult to force them to read something all 'eat your Tolkein, it's good for you'

Ответ для Gabby HC

Best you can do is give a good range of books to pick from and reward/ praise when they try something different from their usual fare. The best way to make them hate a particular book is force them to read it.

Ответ для David Whitley

And in all of these cases the kid started reading the book bc they wanted to, not bc some middle aged FB scold said they should bc drawings ick them out

Ответ для Gabby HC

also.. NO BOOK is right for every person. Some people absolutely adore Faulkner, and I personally can't stand him. Some hate Austen, and I think she is quite lovely. And that's OK. Even classics aren't for everyone. Yes, they have important themes, but not everyone LIKES them.

Ответ для Jan Arrah🏳️‍🌈

The buried lede is that this is just a haughty FB comment about Kids These Days, which are ten a penny & come from a certain set who NEED kids to have their childhood (play outside!) while also making that impossible (calling police on kids playing outside) & should never be taken seriously

Ответ для Gabby HC

There is that, there is also Boomers/Gen X parents who think just because THEIR kids turned out alive, but traumatized or barely speak to them/have no or next to no relationship with them as adults or super co-dependent on them... they know what's best for everyone.

Ответ для Gabby HC

One thing that's worth noting is that many adults simply cannot read comics because they never learned to parse them. Their hostility is, in part, because they haven't got a clue what's in them, so they just posit that they must be inferior to what they read.

Ответ для crgn

Part of the reason comics are viewed as inferior is because of a bigot and awful lying scumbag, Frederick Wertham, who started a campaign against the indecency of comics and basically made them self-censor to be "kid-friendly," and that caused people to reject them as not worth reading.

You might have blocked out his name and profile picture but I would put money on it being a retired man who can't adjust to his opinions no longer being important to anyone.

Ответ для Abigail

I would also put money on it being someone who hasn't interacted with an 8 year old in at least 30 years.

Ответ для Bec

Or if they do the parents have to tell the kids to ignore uncle Derek's opinions when they are forced to see him.

Ответ для Abigail

Update - either someone who needs the internet taking off them as they spend their days saying stupid stuff to get people to follow their Instagram account so they can spam/scam them. Or it is indeed a mother of a newborn baby who is in for one seriously big shock.

Tell me where they live, I just want to have a Little Chat…

JOY IS SINFUL!

Shame all that "proper" reading didn't give them the ability to read the room. Tbh, when anything this intentionally arseholeish is posted I just assume they're a bot or a troll.

It doesn't read as sarcasm to me because those sound like the sort of books people think kids should read. None of them - bar maybe the Hobbit - would I recommend to an average 8yo. That age, mine were reading your stuff, Loki, Hetty Feather, etc, just about moving up to the likes of Percy Jackson.

Ответ для David Heslop

I will say, though, at 8 I really was massively into Greek myths for some reason (probably coz of Jim Henson's The Storyteller?). I will confess that I was not, however, reading translations of Homer just yet.

I think they’re 100% serious. And that reflects on them and what they think is important, which is fine.

Ответ для Charlie Radclyffe

But life is about so much more than the ‘classics’ they’ve listed.

Ответ для Charlie Radclyffe

And the life trick the replier is missing is that books like your’s (or should that be yours - if only I’d read more serious books I’m sure I’d know the difference!) Is that they ADD so much on top of/underneath/between the classics.

Ответ для Charlie Radclyffe

Life is a dance. It has flair, connection and variance.

Ответ для Charlie Radclyffe

If every child just reads The Greatest 50 Children Books Ever Written then this is going to be a pretty dull (and maybe depressed/worried/egomaniacal) world

Ответ для Charlie Radclyffe

So continue with your work. And not being on those classics lists (not yet at least). 🙏🏻

Ответ для Charlie Radclyffe

(And, for me, it reminds me to stay away from the comments under stuff I share… 😂)

If I hadn’t had access to this bad boy when I was a kid, I wouldn’t be the voracious reader I am as an adult. I hate literary snobs for adults and it drives me mad that they do it for kids.

I loved Narnia as a kid. It suited me down to the ground. My battered box set of the books is a treasured childhood memento. Nothing about that means my offspring has to like it. He's a different person in wildly different circumstances.

I feel like the best reading for children is 'what they love' & a nice to have extra is 'varied'. We finished the Hobbit last year & my daughter loved it. She also loves farts & explosions. Reading Michael Rosen as a kid & realising I was allowed to be silly & rude & play with words was huge for me.

Ah the typical older person who doesn't have a clue about any children's books published in the last 50 years. Now at 8 my dad was reading me the Hobbit, and 9-10 I was reading Narnia and at 12, Little Women. I still love rereading little women. Would I be recommending it to that age group now, no.

Ridiculous take from that person. Do they think children's books just stopped dead a hundred years ago? The only things kids "should" read are the things that make them want to keep reading.

"When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." - C.S. Lewis

I read Little Women and the Narnia books and Greek mythology, The Beano, The Dandy etc. and grew up to be a librarian. It’s not a one or the other choice.

Sounds like a pretentious arsehole who thinks nothing worthwhile has been written in the past 100 years (& probably only ever plays Monopoly - also over 100 years old) Do they only watch silent films in b&w?

I don't know. I mean, if they can, right? At the same time if they're reading, I'm also glad. Better the work, book they want to read than a slog that bores them, puts them off. Every kid is different, so find the stuff that does work for them.

That's not sarcasm, that's a pain who has never known joy.

Children shouldn't eat breakfast. They should eat a traditional pub dinner

Ответ для Viv Schwarz

picking up a nintendo switch all like "does this thing have hopscotch"

Ответ для Boots

check out this idiot, can't even roll a hoop

Because if it is, and you’re reading this, I apologise I am very sleepy. If it’s not, I thought Narnia was boring AF when I was eight. You really need to read some comics.

Ответ для Jamie Smart

No, the author is a bellend

Ответ для Jamie Smart

When I read the Hobbit I skipped all those tedious songs.

Ответ для Rob Stears

Still do

Ответ для Jamie Smart

Right. I was a big reader, turned up to school already past the reading age and they had to go and fetch books for older kids. And I did enjoy Narnia and the Hobbit. But my mum was reading them to me. No WAY could I have. Tolkein? When you're 8?! Jog on! Demon Headmaster was about the limit

Ответ для Dave Bulmer

That said, she was reading Little Women at that age and never stopped loving it, so I dunno, maybe that generation just did have chops we didn't have. In which case they probably should've taught us better

Ответ для Dave Bulmer

Popping my head above the parapet to say that I was, of course, one of the obnoxious little shits reading those books at a young age. I do think it's important that children also read things with difficult themes and complex emotions. They need a healthy mix of styles and challenge levels.

Ответ для Wangleberry

I loved Narnia et al, but there are so many other good, mature, challenging, exciting books for children these days, so I agree some of this comment is nostalgia wank. However - I realise this makes me sound like an old fart - children do need to eat their vegetables as well as their puddings, mind.

Ответ для Wangleberry

Absolutely agree, but her disparaging attitude towards comics is what got me most. It’ll will stop her letting her kids anywhere near them, and that could be so damaging for their reading as whole.

Ответ для Jamie Smart

Agreed, it depends on the kids and is a real shame. I think comics are a fantastic gateway for reluctant readers, a brilliant sometimes food (with no guilt!) for the kids who read a lot until they are mature enough to curate their own reading, and an important artistic & aesthetic medium as a whole.

Ответ для Wangleberry

And I'm including comics in my lit crit PhD, so you know I'm not being wanky about their literary merit, just about their place in the curriculum!

Ответ для Wangleberry

That's the key phrase isn't it, As Well. I don't disagree with them that it's good if kids are reading prose novels, and my mum's approach of reading books TO me that were a bit above my personal reading level must be what kept me interested But comics AS WELL, they don't claim to be an Instead Of!

Ответ для Dave Bulmer

for the kids who can't manage a page without pictures, comics are a great way to progress, but like... they're allowed to enjoy things! They don't have to be educational at all, just let them enjoy things! It's good in and of itself to just have a nice time!!!!

Ответ для Dave Bulmer

It's tricky for me to figure out where the balance is because I was in fact into the sort of thing those stuffy oldies would be pleased about, as well as grotty nonsense

Ответ для Dave Bulmer

I can 100% see why some modern comics might be verboten in some households, though, especially with kids who might not have as much impulse control as might be good for them 🫠

Ответ для Wangleberry

e.g. if my mum had allowed my brother to read comics with bum jokes in them he would have been even more of an insufferable and rude little twat than he already was

Ответ для Wangleberry

Yeah, variety is probably important; moreso than what makes up that variety. Throughout childhood and all the way through uni I had the fixed idea that I was a Sci-Fi Reader/Watcher and stubbornly refused to engage with much else; in hindsight that severely limited me in ways I wish it hadn't.

Ответ для Ben Wright - Queex

Hah yeah, I only got through that in my 30s and I'm still a bit out to sea when I try and imagine choosing a book to read that doesn't have a space ship on the front. How do people pick them?! I've enjoyed plenty but I'd never have thought to buy them without some origin story bringing them to me

Ответ для Ben Wright - Queex

A good parent / teacher / librarian who can gently nudge the child into 'oh, you enjoyed that, maybe you will enjoy _this_?' is worth their weight in gold at that age.

Ответ для Wangleberry

Yeah this is what's confusing me. You can, like... you can read both?

Ответ для shoogles

100%. Some kids need a bit of a gentle nudge to attempt something more challenging, and 'reading' a comic is absolutely not the same as 'reading' a novel or book without any illustrations, but moderation in all things, with thoughtful guidance, is the key. The comment is depressingly dismissive.

Ответ для shoogles

And we did! And we do!

Ответ для Jamie Smart

I WOULD NOT MAKE MY KID READ LITTLE WOMEN

Ответ для Jamie Smart

I think that people who have opinions like this also sit down to poop with the toilet seat up for fear of getting ‘too comfortable’.

Ответ для Dan Berry inexplicably

Dan wtf 😅

Ответ для Jamie Smart

It’s just something that I believe, and no, I have no proof but it doesn’t make it any less true in my heart.

Ответ для Jamie Smart

Kids should read... whatever the fuck they want. You want to encourage kids to read, not discourage them and force them to read the shit you think they should like/want to read. Forcing kids to read doesn't create lifelong readers.

Seems very much from the same camp as “all comics are for kids”, but being even more disparaging of kids

If this person reads, they read stuff they think they should read and not stuff they want to read and that's why they want other people to hate reading.

One of my favourite books ever is Frankenstein. I have the 1818 text, the 1831 text, the penguin classics version that compares the two in detail, and the reconstruction of Shelley's OG manuscript before her husband made suggestions. All this *because* I read a graphic novel version as a kid

My 10yo's Y5 report has him as a "greater depth" reader on a (non-exclusive) diet of "these 'books'". And why would he choose to read Lewis and Tolkien when there's Rundell and Riordan?