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20's Plenty for Us

In 2024, 11,337 children under 16 were injured on roads in Great Britain, according to the DfT. These include 42 killed and 2,357 seriously injured, a number little changed from a decade earlier. Most were not killed or injured in front of schools but in the rest of the road network.

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20's Plenty for Us

Its why it is so important that the UK now has a Road Safety Strategy based on the Safe System Approach and it's requirement that national and local authorities set "survivable speed limits". The strategy also targets a 70% reduction in child KSIs by 2035.

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20's Plenty for Us

Within community streets where people walking and cycling mix with motors in a planned and frequent manner then that is 20mph as a default with a higher limit only where evidentially safe. When Wales set a 20mph urban/village default it reduced casualties on lower speed roads (20mph/30mph) by 26%.

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winkybiker

If they also engineered the roads to reduce speeding, they'd improve that statistic. Speed limits are one thing, but only concrete & steel will slow drivers. Narrow the lanes, physically protect vulnerable users, remove distracted-driver recovery zones, make drivers afarid of scratching their cars.

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20's Plenty for Us

Thanks for the comment, but its really about scale and resources. Data does show that wide adoption of 20mph limits does reduce speed, particularly where speeds are higher. See our view on "self-explaing roads" at www.20splenty.org/why_not_self...

Why not "self-explaining" roads?We support those communities that want 20mph where people arewww.20splenty.org
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winkybiker

I'm not disagreeing that engineered slow-speed roads is much more of a commitment. Slower speed limits aren't bad per se, but drivers don't really follow any road rules at all, so making them scared of scratching their car is the only thing remaining.

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20's Plenty for Us

Thanks for the comment, but really saying "but drivers don't really follow any road rules at all" is not accurate and isn't really very helpful.

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winkybiker

Please name a road rule that drivers won't break when it suits them. They're breaking the speed limit almost continuously unless impeded by other drivers. Nobody stops at stop signs. There's not an orange or fresh red light that won't see a driver gunning through if there's a driver there to do it.

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winkybiker

Still waiting on the rule that drivers don't break...

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20's Plenty for Us

"A driver" rather than "drivers". How many drivers go anti-clockwise round roundabouts? I see few drivers going thru red lights, but i do see some. That does not mean that all drivers drive through red lights.

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winkybiker

Drivers follow the convention on roundabout direction. If they didn't, they'd crash straight into other drivers. It's the convention they follow, not the law. They'll readily go against one-way conventions if it is convenient and they perceive the risk to be low-enough.

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winkybiker

If you watch any busy downtown intersection closely you'll see drivers gunning it through orange and fresh reds all the time. The "rule" is that if its still orange, they can enter the intersection. They know they have a second-or-too before the cross traffic enters.

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20's Plenty for Us

OK. I am not sure what you are campaigning for, but we will keep campaigning for 20mph as the default urban/village speed limit.

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winkybiker

Still waiting for you to explain the rules that drivers won't break when it suits them. They tend to follow conventions, which is necessary for them not to crash into each other more than they alreadsy do, but actual compliance with the rules is accidental/inadvertent.