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Stephen Jacob Smith

I cannot get over how bad it is that NYC no longer has really any pass product at all. The farecap window is random and untrackable. The fare multiple to hit it is very high. Now they're going to try to do citywide bus proof-of-payment without anybody having prepaid their fare with a pass? Disaster!

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Stephen Jacob Smith

What a crazy thing to say. Has Janno Lieber never paid rent or a mortgage? Has he never gotten a regular paycheck? Paying weekly or monthly upfront for a core service that you use regularly is a basic fact of adulthood. Creating an explosion of fare evasion because nobody has prepaid passes...

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Adam Boritz

Also he'd have a semblance of ground to stand on if they actually implemented a fare cap version of the 30 day pass, except they didn't even do that

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Adam Boritz

It's actually pretty wild to think about how they try to claim someone can't afford a 30 day pass upfront, so now they're paying significantly more over 30 days, even after adjusting for the fare increase. Yet this is supposedly better for those folks?

Sam G

I think the problem is that the MTA saw this as an ‘or’ — they could do a fare cap OR a pass. The equitable thing to do is to have a fare cap AND a pass. The pass can — and should — be cheaper than the cap.

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Sam G

Nobody has ever explained why it has to be an ‘or’ other than the MTA’s lack of imagination and inability to manage vendors

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crzwdjk

Nobody understands why LUL came up with fare capping in the first place. It's because their fare system is relatively complex, they have a zonal system and the cost of a day pass varied depending on whether you got it before the end of morning rush hour or after.

Stephen Jacob Smith

...anymore and has to make the "right" decision twice a day rather than once a month and then calling the alternative "inequitable" is just insane.

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Vicki Madden

OMNY is much more of a surveillance system than the metrocards were. Also with my unlimited monthly card, I could freely swipe people in on my way out. At my outer Brooklyn stop full of immigrant families, there would often be people waiting at turnstile to be offered a swipe by those exiting.

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Aditya Mukerjee 🦦 🏳️‍🌈

Metrocards were already extremely trackable - the surveillance potential was just invisible to riders, whereas now it's more obvious

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Vicki Madden

But I could buy it with cash. OMNY I think you can only buy a one-day card with cash. Anything longer requires a credit card.

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bsquiklehausen

You can absolutely buy an OMNY card with cash and refill it with cash at both vending machines and retail stores

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Vicki Madden

Good to know

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Nilo

This is among the worst arguments for the metro card.

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Khyber Sen

They're equally surveilable if you pay with cash (you can load an OMNY card with cash), and you can tap after exiting and it still goes toward your cap, so you can do the same thing as swiping people in when you exit.

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David Schleef

OMNY swipes would be an incredibly poor data set. You can easily just buy much better tracking tied to actual identities for pretty cheap.

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Stephen Jacob Smith

I actually heard exactly this from an MTA employee, that the free pass they get is not the best idea because it detaches them from experiencing the agency’s main product bsky.app/profile/thel...

The LIRR Today

A major reason OMNY went off the rails is that nobody at the MTA actually pays fares! So they are almost completely disconnected from the reality of how those of us who do pay our fares go about it (and how it influences travel habits) and their too aloof to put themselves in riders' shoes

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Sam G

They should give every MTA employee a transit benefits card with exactly the monthly fare cap on it.

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The LIRR Today

Nah, they should have to go through the hassle of enrolling, managing elections, keeping on top of separate balances, and carrying around an extra card in their wallets like the rest of us to get the full experience.

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Sam G

Transit benefits cards don’t have tap to pay, so they’d have to manage the OMNY-loading themselves.

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The LIRR Today

It's a huge issue. Not to mention a tremendous lost revenue source. How many companies give their employees a 100% discount on their product? (especially one that's regulated by IRS as fringe benefit) If MTA employees actually paid for their commutes, maybe they'd put more effort into improving svc

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Jason Rabinowitz

Free travel is the sole reason many people work at airlines

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The LIRR Today

Free travel is strictly space available though, right? On some of the morning Ronkonkoma trains a third of the car will get up out of seats at Hillside.

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The LIRR Today

Airlines also don't get $23 billion a year in taxpayer subsidies

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Interlocker

True, it’s much more than that

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Interlocker

And even with these enormous subsidies, the entire airline system in the US manages to carry less than the MTA. Time for reform?

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Stephen Jacob Smith

This is a dumb way to compare ridership across modes. Every short-haul mode will carry more people than a long-haul mode. More people probably drive from one parking lot to another adjacent one every day than ride transit too.

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Interlocker

It was a very serious comment so I appreciate your response

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Duke87

What reform are you proposing exactly? These two things fill completely different needs. No one is taking a subway train from New York to Chicago; no one is taking a plane from Parkchester to midtown.

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bsquiklehausen

Yeah this is a... pretty standard perk of transportation companies both public and private?

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bsquiklehausen

(Also the implication that it's a "tremendous source of lost revenue" when the MTA is 70k people all-told. Even if that's 2 rides per day for every single employee (including railroad people, Bridges & Tunnels, every bus operator, etc) that's less than 2% of rides)

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The LIRR Today

70k employees x 2 trips/day x $3 /trip x 250 days = $105 million 25k rail commuters x $350 /month x 12 months = another $105 million We're two third of the way towards solving next year's deficit! bsky.app/profile/thel...

The LIRR Today

Who could have guessed that two payroll tax hikes, anew congestion charge, casino revenues, and a bunch of fare and toll hikes was not the express ticket to financial stability!? I thought mobile ticket activations was the number 1 issue faced by the MTA

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Riley Choe

the best railroad is one that has no employees and owns no assets therefore having a perfect operating ratio

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bsquiklehausen

Except you'd have to match every dollar you spend here with raises for the employees who now have to spend money on transit! This is an astonishingly common perk (for a relatively perk-free industry) and it's a major selling point for people who work for the MTA!

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bsquiklehausen

(Also thinking that more than 1 in 3 MTA employees is a railroad rider is one of the most insane things you've ever said, and that's a high bar)

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The LIRR Today

You're right, they would all drive if they actually had to pay for LIRR/MNR service

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Ryan Hassett

"a relatively perk-free industry" Have you seen the ATU health plan?

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bsquiklehausen

Ok true - the pension and insurance are stellar, but that's at the cost of bonuses, points/shares, food/snacks, remote opportunities (these days), and just straight up base pay for some roles. (I do know this is an obviously office-coded comparison though - I can't speak for frontline staff)

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Nilo

This is responsible for a lot of Amtrak NEC dysfunction as well IMO. I think executives should have to pay for these services.