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tbh I think that one is hard for me to know because I obviously have a very weighted perception of how many people know about Dusk lol

I mean the only reason PUBG is there is because Fortnite isn't an FPS, and PUBG also came first. I don't know enough about multiplayer (especially class-based multiplayer) to stand by the Overwatch pick, but my sense is that it was copied far more than TF2.

I'm fairly certain Quake 2 used wasd as default a year previous and that was hardly a niche title. I will give you that from about 1996-2001 there are a few valid choices, HL being one of them, but if you track the path of influence it wasn't the clear winner, at least.

I do wonder if Goldeneye should be here yeah. Tbh I'm unsure about that whole late 90s / early 2000s period

And don't forget Wrack!

You're joking

I guess I could see that argument, but I'm not sure a single tech innovation is enough tbh.

I could see that yeah. Responses are making me think multiplayer and single player should be their own lists, and I don't think I have the knowledge to do a multiplayer list tbh.

Well my thinking was that a lot of FPS campaigns went open world in the wake of Far Cry 3, even to this day, but yeah admittedly I'm not sure if it's a correct choice.

I think it was a mistake to try lumping in multiplayer/competitive shooters with single player because there are some major blind spots I had here wrt multiplayer FPS

Oh yeah? I might be even more out of the loop on multiplayer than I thought cause I hadn't even considered that but yeah you might be right.

Yeah exactly. It hurts tho yeah, because I'd pick a very different list of games for "what I wish were the most influential FPS" lol

I think influence is one of the only components of "greatness" or whatever that we can actually track objectively. It's not necessarily about what introduced the concept, it's about what future things got the idea from, even if the thing they get the idea from wasn't actually innovative.

To be honest I kind of feel like it was Eternal and Ultrakill growing out of retro throwbacks that really made "boomer shooter" a huge thing people know about, outside of just retro circles, but yeah it's hard to even say yet because I don't think we've even moved on from those games yet.

I personally am grateful so many people credit Dusk with the boomer shooter wave, but I do think it's Doom 2016 that deserves the most credit. And idk if there's even been enough time yet to say how influential the boomshoot subgenre is overall

Yeah it does get a lot harder to be certain once we get into the last decade, both because there hasn't been as much time and because the FPS genre is so huge and full of so many subgenres.

If it is then it's probably objectively like... #2 or #3 on this list lmao

Doom Eternal is one where it's also maybe too early to say, but I think it's at least been enough time that we can see how much influence it had on design up to now. It's either Eternal or Ultrakill and my guess is that Eternal has probably been more widely copied.

That said, my knowledge of competitive multiplayer FPS is comparatively weak, so it's very possible I'm overstating the influence OW had in the later 2010s. Similarly someone else pointed out that Tarkov likely should be on this list, although it's a bit early to say I think.

It's strange because what direction the industry takes has nothing to do with what direction the industry SHOULD take. CoD4 is an awful game that ruined FPS design for nearly a decade, but it's objectively one of the most influential shooters ever made.