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Oh you’re absolutely right. I try to apologize where appropriate but I too have fallen into that trap.

I would say, if you’ve vibe coded an entire project - or relied primarily on this - I’m not really interested in the why. I will simply choose not to engage with the project at all. If parts of the code rely on this it’s tough to fight but fully vibe coded stuff is a non-starter for me.

Well I deeply appreciate you saying so. I respect that a lot and I also apologize.

Not at all. It’s people lumping everything together under a single umbrella and painting it all as “bad”. It’s designed to defocus the arguments and make it seem “crazy” and impossible. It’s not.

Your reply reminds me of this bsky.app/profile/kims...

Totally different thing. Not even remotely close. I can and will continue to not support those making use of slop generators. As the reality of the cost comes into focus there is still time for change.

The moral and legal stuff doesn’t move people but the fact that everything is becoming dramatically more expensive to the point that it could wipe out entire industries is a real problem. AI is not “just a tool” despite what some suggest.

Not for me, funnily enough, since I can read/speak Japanese. The slop translations seem to suck anyways and likely kill any chance of a proper translation in the future.

“Pretty much” doing lots of heavy lifting here. Look. I don’t want it. You arguing in favor of it does not help. I will not support it. Period.

Poor performance or strange performance has been an issue. For recompiled stuff, the whole user experience and menu stuff is also largely horrible. I don’t care if it takes longer. I won’t support the thing that is making computing unaffordable and possibly wrecking its future.

I was willing to acknowledge and apologize. He wasn’t. That says it all to men

Well, he sure made me feel like shit but that’s good to know.

Given the types of words used I certainly doesn't feel that way. It's a very Musk-like approach to posting. Either way, it kinda ruined my morning. I respected them too but now that I see how they treat others my viewpoint has shifted.

Yep, it's just an instant death blow for me. Won't touch it.

That's a very good point, actually.

That's exactly the problem. The output is largely not good. It would be better if those did not exist at all, quite frankly. When a seasoned programmer uses it to assist in certain areas, that's one thing, but people are just dropping total slop all over the place and the quality is poor.

The thing is - I like arguing over topics, I think that's fun, but it's become so hostile in the past few years that it's really ruining the whole thing. I lament this.

It also sucks when you want to discuss something interesting and people come out cursing and acting wildly aggressive for no reason. What the hell is wrong with modern discourse? It feels like everyone is on edge and ready to pounce on others in the most aggressive possible way. Really sucks.

Well, I apologize for even bringing up the topic. I don't agree with you but I respect your point of view on it.

You started it, man. You were the one throwing around insults. I apologize for saying 'gaslighting'. I think what you're saying is interesting but I didn't feel like being insulted when talking about it.