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In the context of the paragraph, I stand behind, fully, what I wrote. Go waste your time with someone else. I'm out of this conversation. You think you're helping Gazans by taking pot shots at Trumps enemies. That's warped. Hope you wake up.

He's an enabling eunuch to the High Sultan Trump. Many like him, they all passed on their chance to stand for the constitution, and to be the somebody they used to think of themselves as someday becoming. Sell it to someone else, John.

And, I said, a while back in this thread, Dems need to do a better job campaigning. So, what exactly are trying to convince me of?

When you make an argument like this, you need to come with facts. And, naming a few incidents, on the part of a few individuals, would not support your argument of a pattern. "A bunch of Dems", sounds a like "a lot of people". You don't even name 1 or 2 people to support your generalization.

"Lesser evil" is your characterization. Great marketing, kiddo. (For the other side, that is.)

Those who do not vote for people who represent 70% of their interests because they are not getting 100%, deserve the Trump we have. They are part of the problem. When I demonstrated and took hits in 60s & 70s people like that told us, the worse it gets, the more likely good will follow. Total BS.

Huh? Are you reading my posts as they might be in an alternate universe? IF you're here saying 1) Not voting, OR that 2) Voting for alternatives candidates to Democrats is NOT helpful to MAGA keeping its foot on the USA's throat YOU ARE MAGA's dupe. MAGA pays for bots that do the very same thing.

Not the most clearly written analogy, but in the context of this thread, it is not too hard to read or apply.

"Regardless if you think we should have to market Democrats, we do." I do, too. And, I don't know anyone who even leans Dem who thinks otherwise. PS The party has never advocated for confirming "red judges". Do you have some examples in mind?

Thanks, I didn't know that Democrats all support Netanyahu. Or, that they mostly did nothing to prevent our ridiculous SCOTUS. Or, that the Democratic Party did nothing to stop Trump from his election crookedness. Excuse me, but I need to say, all these are rather absurd points of view.

Furthermore, it is not the ONLY conclusion which can be drawn. Logically, it's only one of the conclusions which can be drawn. And, it's not at all a charitable one.

Geeze. There is not a candidate that ever lost an election who did not say to themselves (or out loud), I could have/should have run a better campaign. They hold themselves responsible. I do too. But, main responsibility for the ignorant who vote for Trump or for no one, that lies with the voter.

We are inches away from politicians wearing the corporate patch of the company that bought them.

In response to "I am not." and your sentence that follows it. You are reading a lot into my arguments. For example, show me where I said the party (meaning Democrats) is owed absolute loyalty. It is easier to argue with a straw man.

I did not suggest the Dems are owed absolute loyalty. So, perhaps both of us misunderstand the arguments of the other.

You are reading a hell of a lot, which just isn't there, into my arguments.

I agree. Dems must do better. I must do better, too.

People who wallow in lost faith don't deserve decent government. Such excuses ignorance and apathy, which is a self enhancing feedback loop. Those who understand the value in elections and the importance of involvement afterwords deserve better. (Wha-whaa, they made me do it.) We must be adults.

Got it. I'll put you down on my list of Trump supporters. Enlightened others here will do the same.

Only the ignorant need motivation to get off their asses and vote. Maybe you need to take a harder look at Trump & Co.?