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How long will you support the system that allows her and people like her to have any influence? Other folk pointed out "it's her or worse" so it's because there's something for her to gain. We have to eliminate her foundation first.

CBS News ran a claim that "thousands of 9/11 victims' families" want Mamdani banned. The petition organizer told a journalist she has no actual list and the 300 figure was just an estimate. CBS News has since corrected its coverage

Oh no, what happened to the :/ person I was talking to? The whole thread is gone! Is that them or me?

I sure do hope you're saying this in disgust for liberalism. It's like saying "we needed to r--- them all, they weren't voting and voting matters!"

what source what I use, theirs? NATO? You really don't have to think that hard. Did they need to drop bombs on Japan? They'd even surrendered already. They just wanted to project their supremacy

Because there's not. Much. Of. A. Difference.

Anyway you're not interested any more. Nevertheless I was not ascribing "evil" to the us, just the pure pragmatic indifference of capitalism. Sure I think that's evil but it's not necessary to say "they were summoning demons and worshiping at the altar of Moloch (oh wait)" just discussion of gains.

How were they failures? Libya is presently being served up to various capitalist interests, the socialist movements and African Union efforts are gone. Full success. Afghanistan as well was just a political tool because they're weak (from generations of western invasion), did what it needed to do.

When wasn't it true? When Franco was in power for another 40 years? When they created the CIA to stop SOCIALISM, never fascism? Pakistan? Iran, Iraq, pick your dictators in the world, the us put most of them there, the way Elon put trhmo in the white House. Wanted it, funded it.

Much easier to solidify that empire sooner if they didn't need to worry about un, Soviet near-supremacy, Israel because they'll just have control over the region without them. The Chinese revolution never happens, french Indochina just becomes German etc. they'd still need to kill Italian socialists

K, so you're not open to the discussion. Moving on! 🙄

Still a war machine, the machine of military industrial complex. And did it "project power" in Afghanistan again? Iraq? Libya? Just to name 3 easy examples, obviously many more.. one of their biggest and most elaborate weapons is Israel.

Fine whatever, pure luck, because it ended with the beginning of decades of American oppression and murder around the world in the name of "democracy", so it may not have been that much different. I sort of argue that they regret taking the allied side.

What?? They've only increased the war machine by 1000s of degrees! Military bases around the world, nuclear tech that laughs at the atom bombs, jets, space stuff, I mean maybe you mean something different?

what they might actually have been aiming for. Which is why I came to the conclusion it must have been stopping Germany from nukes. Nothing else makes as much sense.

Of course there is, because it allows an objective analysis of what happened. Because it wouldn't have been a big deal for the us for either side to win ultimately and maybe even helpful if the axis did, it explains why it took them so long to get involved (certainly not to stop fascism) and

I didn't think you meant they did it for that reason, but that it was ever an intended purpose. It's pure coincidence that it ended up being good. The "allies" winning ww1 was probably an objective bad, and who's gonna claim that?

They would be an easy target. "If Britain fell then Canada would be Germany" at which point Canada just becomes the US. Like they were already trading with and supportive of nazi Germany so what really would have changed for them?

So when I say "they did it to stop the Germans from getting to nukes first" that's of course beside the point of war profiteering, however they could easily have done that by siding with Germany. Maybe even moreso because then they just spin "the real enemy" of USSR who wouldn't have nukes maybe so

I mean, so what are we arguing about? I've mostly been saying this. And Afghanistan was pure imperial rape of an uninvolved nation to harass their real enemies (USSR, who are neighbors of Afghanistan so they do have a stake) And Vietnam was about France, but the same as Afghanistan spiritually.