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Human nature requires that the more sustainable choices have to also be the more desirable ones. This is the design challenge we confront in climate mitigation. New forms of energy, appliances, food, transport all have to be cheaper and better than the old version, not just better for the planet.

George Monbiot

When I discuss huge systemic issues, people say "but what I can I do?" When I mention something meaningful you can do immediately, people say (as the replies here show) "but what's the point, in the face of the huge systemic issues?" There are, it seems, plenty of people who want to be helpless.

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But you see how that sentences us to doom. If we cannot be good for its own sake, only out of selfishness, then we will not survive. It seems like pretending otherwise does more damage than anything.

Ответ для The End of the World Party, PhD

I come to the opposite conclusion because the truth is the low carbon version of nearly every technology is already better than the old version. We just need to be more skilled in the art of seduction so that people come to understand their life will improve in a post fossil future.

Ответ для Rob

Eastern philosophies and other ancient wisdoms have been explaining and demonstrating for millenia that the lure of 'seduction' isn't the path to happiness...

Ответ для Rob

But our entire political system is committed to the 'old versions.' There is no seduction that can overpower violence.

Ответ для The End of the World Party, PhD

That is where I have to disagree with you because our future depends on there being some way to seduce the public towards a more ecological future. Fortunately that future will materially improve all our lives so the substance is real—we just need the communications campaign.

Ответ для Rob

The Futurists in 1909 knew how to do it. They successfully seduced with stories of speed, consumption, war, rockets, and dominance over nature. Our job today is to learn from their success but instead wield the tools of seduction and communication to our ends—endurance, regeneration, stewardship.

Ответ для Rob

Yeah, they became well-dressed fascists as Italy fell under Mussolini.....

Ответ для Rob

The problem is, capitalism crushes creativity and strangles cultural threats to it. That's a lot of what the Trump admin is doing very openly right now. Rent is too high for there to be world-changingly good art.

Ответ для The End of the World Party, PhD

But also, everyone is so fractured now, and yet there are sooo many of them. With the internet people can have super niche interests, and people really get into siloes, with their artistic interests as well.

Ответ для The End of the World Party, PhD

But tbc, fucking love the idea. Gonna try it. 🥳

Ответ для The End of the World Party, PhD

I find this inspiring. “We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings. Resistance and change often begin in art, and very often in our art, the art of words.” ― Ursula K. Le Guin

Change occurs on a continuum (ex. early adopters) & for lots of different reasons (b/c you're an angler, have kids, etc). Some people resonate w/ story-based approaches. Ultimately, some will be motivated more by carrots & others sticks, but an everything approach is required. Revealed preference

Ответ для Sip Coffee, Build for Change

is affected by policy. Part of what makes sprawl or single occupancy vehicles make sense to people today is the mix of carrots/sticks. Ex. policies like congestion pricing, removing lanes + EV/ebike incentives, added to storytelling is needed for max shift & maximally durable shift

Human nature is largely culture. I've lived 4 years with Tibetans, who traditionally send one member of the family to become a monk or nun: possessing nothing, eating very simple food within very basic accommodation. The benefits of restraint lie deep within social values, imbued in spirituality.

Ответ для Annie Leymarie

Changing culture is very hard and generational. It requires art, design, and storytelling, and these things are not being adequately invested in by climate funders. There seems to be an “if we engineer it, it will get adopted” mentality that permeates climate research and finance.

Ответ для Rob

What makes changing lifestyles hard is the narrative that it's hard to change a lifestyle.

Ответ для Michael Burchert

Interesting take.

Ответ для Rob

Mainstream political parties thrive on telling people that they don’t need to change. Whilst this is a clever way to get elected, it’s very bad for societies in times of change. Incidentally, people are extremely adaptable – that’s our superpower.

Ответ для Michael Burchert

Our species seems to not only enjoy worshiping liars telling us comforting lies. We crave them. We elect them into power. And then their lies prove as deadly as any sensible person would have anticipated.

Climate News

We as a species have proven ourselves capable of not only enjoying lies, but craving them. We seem to enjoy rewarding liars for lying to us about the climate, and putting them in charge of our economies.

Ответ для Climate News

Some people like to see things burn, even if they get hurt, the idea here is that the other suffer as well. It is important to rule this out, that is why we need an #AfDVerbot in Germany.

Ответ для Michael Burchert

The exact same with MAGA in the USA, the ruling Liberal party in Canada under the arsonist Mark Carney, the Labour and Conservative and Reform and Restore parties in the UK, Labor in Australia, to name but a few.

Ответ для Michael Burchert

I fully agree! And so often an action the mainstream narrative tells us is a sacrifice feels highly enjoyable and rewarding when done. Once all basic needs are met, wellbeing has little to do with what we're told it does!

Ответ для Annie Leymarie

It's such a sacrifice to live in a straw house, having to harvest energy for transport and heating and we have no meat on the table!

Ответ для Michael Burchert

There is another kind of politics than that one you describe founded on nostalgia, and is starting to find purchase. It’s the kind of politics that inspires the public to want to bring forward a better future. That kind of politics can awaken our inherent superpowers of change.

Ответ для Michael Burchert

Well said! 🙏

Ответ для Rob

I'm old enough to have seen food culture change dramatically in the UK, where I now live, since when I first arrived in the late 1960s - and much of it happened extremely fast. Food is very social and it takes a minority to bring about a tipping point.