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The Rest of Us Party

Unfortunately, I feel like we are getting closer and closer to violent confrontation between state and federal law enforcement, or law enforcement from red and blue states.

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milk steak nation

The right’s authoritarianism is highly unpopular with the general public, and they know it I suspect they’re only going to be present where local law enforcement is sympathetic with the right wing, such as occurred with the LAPD

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Roy Bennett

77 million MAGA voters disagree

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milk steak nation

Just because someone voted for Trump doesn’t mean that everything Trump subsequently does is popular with them His current approval rating is net -20, in an electorate that’s virtually 50/50, you can’t get that low unless you’ve pissed off a good share of your own voters

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Roy Bennett

Fair point, but now republicans are in power and judging by how they are behaving with no serious and effective opposition. I think voters are going to find that getting them out of office is nigh on impossible unless its at gunpoint, tragically. I wish you well,but glad I`m over the pond.

Fenderputty

What law enforcement isn’t sympathetic to the right wing?

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Democracy Dies in Dorkness

It's not that, it's more that the right wing/LE isn't monolithic. Which doesn't make any of them "good guys" but the infighting can be useful. at one point during the height of the bullshit here in LA two factions of LA & environs popo ended up firing (rubber bullets) at each other.

Democracy Dies in Dorkness

Even the LAPD aren't fans, overall. It's not really that they're in sync so much as LAPD has long been and still is capable of being a murderous police state all on their ownsomes. I grant you the distinction doesn't seem that important in practice. at least in theory you can ask for their badge.

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milk steak nation

Oh I’m well aware, but certain places like Chicago give the vibe that they’re not interested in ceding sovereignty

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Patricius Bikinius, Magister Edictum

I'd genuinely love to be wrong but that kind of classical conservatism is long dead Cops -> proud boys -> ICE pipeline I guess we'll see how loyal they are to the government that pays them, I may be able to count on that at least 🤷🏻

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Democracy Dies in Dorkness

It's not really about classical conservatism, it's more about defending their own turf. But yeah, we'll see. Like here, we got the head of the LAPD denouncing ICE and the NG's incursion "we got this" but on the ground, sure, happy pics together.

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Democracy Dies in Dorkness

Meanwhile iirc Pritzker could in theory get the jump on Trump and call out the NG himself; evidently it's a dibsies thing? So sayeth Josh Marshall, a while back, I think; but don't take my word for it.

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Democracy Dies in Dorkness

NG at at least were miserable and bored out of their box being on call all that time. Many were hometown boys and girls, and/or Latino/a. And unlike ICE, they didn't get hotel rooms or even payment (for the first 30 days) TrumpCo aren't exactly great at building morale.

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GUWonder

There is usually quite a huge gap between the heads who have a direct political master and much of the police force when it comes to large police departments. In smaller departments, things can be more chummy and even perhaps more corrupt.

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Democracy Dies in Dorkness

Yeh. In other news I just saw that apparently Indiana police are collaborating with ICE over a detention center there, going by Speed...something, very cutesy movie sounding. Whee.

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GUWonder

The police in the US have a long history of biting the hand which feeds them and getting away with it with zero accountability. And don’t underestimate the interest of little boys wanting to hang with the big boys and thus doing the big boys’ bidding.

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Slickdigit

Conservative has never been anything but code for bigot

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Kristy Rawson

Pritzker's resolve notwithstanding, have you met the Chicago Police?

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Nathan from Michigan

Yep even the DC police, in the Institute of Peace case, the judge essentially surrendered saying "it would lead to an armed confrontation" (and, defacto, that there was no one armed that would enforce her ruling).

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Patricius Bikinius, Magister Edictum

This is just one big "the emperor has no clothes" situation and the emperor in question is the entire judicial situation as a whole, and the implications of what next steps are necessary after we all agree that the current system is completely impotent.

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Nathan from Michigan

Key thing is to give the judiciary an armed enforcement wing under their control. This whole speed run to fascism would've ground to a halt if one judge had been able to say "bring them in on contempt....no matter the cost". That has problems of it's own, but it's an improvement over this

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equaloppcynic

Also notable: early evidence suggests the ICE recruiting pitch is mostly working on existing police. That's scary in many ways, but it does mean they may recruit away the worst of the local police, allowing for marginal reform there.