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Oh The Urbanity!

Business owners on Montreal’s Saint-Denis Street in the Latin Quarter are worried about losing business — — with their street no longer pedestrianized due to nearby construction. “After two seasons with cars driving just two inches from the patios, are we going to lose customers?”

Les commerçants du Quartier latin s’inquiètent du retour des voitures rue Saint-DenisLa réduction de l’espace piéton consacré à Montréal complètement cirque pourrait engendrer une baisse de l’achalandage.www.ledevoir.com
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Paul Marriott, PhD

Interesting ... isn't it usually the case that merchants are vehemently against pedestrianization? Of course, the reality is that it always helps - I can't think of any studies that show otherwise.

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Ontario Traffic Man

No, merchants oppose change regardless of which direction. On Bloor Street in downtown Toronto, business owners opposed the installation of bike lanes and they also opposed the province's proposed removal of those bike lanes. toronto.citynews.ca/video/2024/1...

Annex businesses tell Ford to back off Bloor bike lanesStores in the Annex say the Bloor bike lanes have been a big boost to business. As Michelle Mackey reports, the neighborhood's BIA wants the province to back off its new bill that could see the lanes ...toronto.citynews.ca
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BC Ministry of Ending Car Reliance

Also while I'm the most bike-pilled whacko, there is also barely any real data saying spending increases with bike lanes (using taxation data instead of voluntary and anecdotal info).

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ScarletCoral

There's this study in Berlin ⤵️ The best is foot traffic for merchants

ScarletCoral

One study showed that merchants: 1. overestimate the % of their customers driving to their shops 2. are biased by their own mode of transport 3. overestimate the distance travelled by their customers 4. underestimate the sales made to customers arriving on foot findingspress.org/article/2449...

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ScarletCoral

or this one in Geneva ⤵️

Mathieu Chassignet

Et toujours la même erreur des commerçants qui : ➡️Surestiment l'utilisation de la voiture parmi leurs clients : Ils pensent que c'est 31% alors que la réalité est de 10% ➡️Sous-estiment la marche : 21% vs. 46% en réalité

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Paul Marriott, PhD

I thought I had also seen one related to streets in New York that installed bike lanes.

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ScarletCoral

And Bloor Street in Toronto Again, perception of merchants vs how their customers actually travel "As a result of the 2008 surveys on Bloor Street, the data show that store managers may have been overestimating the number of customers who arrived by car."

Bikes and Business on Bloor: An Economic Study from TorontoRecent discussion about Hennepin Avenue has raised the impact of the planned reconstruction on business. Fortunately we have a detailed case study on bike lanes and business from Toronto to learn f…streets.mn
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BC Ministry of Ending Car Reliance

This is only about driving percentages, and doesn't use tax revenue (to my knowledge, I'm on vacation but I'm pretty sure I've read this one) to definitely show an uptick in business post-bike lane. To be clear, we need bike lanes. The excuse for them shouldn't be "to support capitalism."

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Jean-François

which mean we should also probably study the impact of foot traffic on street with bike lanes. For example when visiting Montreal when i had the choice i walked along streets with bike lanes over car dominated ones

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ScarletCoral

I'm sure @owenwaygood.bsky.social & @kmanaugh.bsky.social know people who are studying this subject! Unfortunately, Jérôme Laviolette is not on Bluesky

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Owen Waygood

We have been looking at this - it’s hard ($$$) to get data on sales though. We looked at store closures in commercial streets with and without bike infrastructure over a period of years. Essentially, there is a hint of a positive impact, but not statistically so in Montreal. Can’t say it’s neg’tv

Oh The Urbanity!

This is a different section of the same street from the REV Saint-Denis bike corridor. Normally this section is pedestrianized in the summer, but it’s temporarily losing the pedestrian status due to major work on nearby Berri Street.